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Thoughts on this inspection video

tanger

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Brought the E500 in for a persistent issue that comes up (infrequently enough that it’s not an obvious solve and I’ve read all the threads there are on this). The issue is that sometimes when I’m cruising on the highway (typically around 80mph or above), it will lose power (limp home mode I think)l I had the ETA rebuilt a few years ago, but problem is back.

Anyhow, I got this inspection video from the dealer shop. http://mblb.mkvwa1.com/p/FFoimv.html

Probably nothing there related to my issue, but wow much leakage! I guess that’s what I get for not driving her much. A few questions:

1) on the LCA bushings, these are the RDM LCAs. Can I tell the dealer just to press in new bushings (and if so anyone know the spec?). I don’t want to revert back to OEM as the car is lowered on the #1 spring pads.​
2) on the differential leak, tech mentions replace the diff but hoping maybe there are seals or something that have dried out and can be replaced. But if it is a diff replacement, probably worth getting LSD? Anyone selling one? I saw a group buy thread started in June but didnt look like it went ahead.​
3) what else sticks out from the inspection video?​

Thanks!
 
That 5thsceracer diff sale happened but I believe due to MOQs required there is currently no place to get them unless a large group buy is assembled again. Maybe folks who bought during the last go around and haven’t installed are willing to sell?
 
Brought the E500 in for a persistent issue that comes up (infrequently enough that it’s not an obvious solve and I’ve read all the threads there are on this). The issue is that sometimes when I’m cruising on the highway (typically around 80mph or above), it will lose power (limp home mode I think)l I had the ETA rebuilt a few years ago, but problem is back.

Anyhow, I got this inspection video from the dealer shop. http://mblb.mkvwa1.com/p/FFoimv.html
Probably nothing there related to my issue, but wow much leakage! I guess that’s what I get for not driving her much. A few questions:
1) on the LCA bushings, these are the RDM LCAs. Can I tell the dealer just to press in new bushings (and if so anyone know the spec?). I don’t want to revert back to OEM as the car is lowered on the #1 spring pads.
2) on the differential leak, tech mentions replace the diff but hoping maybe there are seals or something that have dried out and can be replaced. But if it is a diff replacement, probably worth getting LSD? Anyone selling one? I saw a group buy thread started in June but didnt look like it went ahead.
3) what else sticks out from the inspection video?

Thanks!
@tanger,
Wow Mel, That inspection video is insane. Just because the differential has a leak you don’t replace it. They do have new seals and gaskets plus sealants to fix some of your leaks. Same goes for the trans and engine leaks.

That guy doing the inspection thinks he has a live one. Don’t fall for it.

PS: MB of Long Beach has or had a Tech named Guido. Not sure he works there anymore. He was a 500E owner and was very savvy on E500Es. I almost bought his 500E but I didn’t pull the trigger.

Anyway, You need to find an Indy Tech that knows E500Es. Someone you have faith in and can trust.

Take Care
 
From my experience, your going to have a tough time finding a shop to press out bushings and press in new ones. Most MB shops don't have a large press that is needed, they would rather just sell you new control arms with the bushings already installed.
 
@tanger,
Wow Mel, That inspection video is insane. Just because the differential has a leak you don’t replace it. They do have new seals and gaskets plus sealants to fix some of your leaks. Same goes for the trans and engine leaks.

That guy doing the inspection thinks he has a live one. Don’t fall for it.

PS: MB of Long Beach has or had a Tech named Guido. Not sure he works there anymore. He was a 500E owner and was very savvy on E500Es. I almost bought his 500E but I didn’t pull the trigger.

Anyway, You need to find an Indy Tech that knows E500Es. Someone you have faith in and can trust.

Take Care
Thanks Terry. I haven’t talked to my service advisor yet but they’ve done me right in the past. There are 2 techs guys that seem to know their W124s, and my SA knows what’s up. Everyone there loves my car lol. But hear you on replacing full on major parts when seals will do.
 
I agree with Terry. They think they found someone with a fat chequebook and want to maximize their profit margin at your expense. :rolleyes:

Love how this video starts: "Your tires are old. Recommend 4 tires and alignment, that will be $2000 please." I had to look hard to find the cracks they were referring to, and 5/32 is still about 30-35% tread depth remaining. If you don't spend a lot of time cruising above 100mph, I'd have no issues driving on these until they are closer to the wear bars.


Anyway:

1) on the LCA bushings, these are the RDM LCAs. Can I tell the dealer just to press in new bushings (and if so anyone know the spec?). I don’t want to revert back to OEM as the car is lowered on the #1 spring pads.
I didn't notice any mention of bushings in the video. They pointed out the damaged ball joint boot, and recommended replacing the entire control arm, which is unnecessary, and also unpossible because the control arms are NLA! You can get cheap junk aftermarket offshore LCA's but OE/Genuine, nope. Only replace the ball joints, these are still available new. The control arm DOES NOT have to be removed from the car to do this. They will recommend an alignment afterwards which is not required but won't hurt (other than the $300 cost). Also, the RDM TEK LCA's are in the rear only, there was no mention of rear control arms in the video. If they say the LCA has to come off the car to replace ball joints, this just confirms they don't know what they're doing on these "old" cars.


2) on the differential leak, tech mentions replace the diff but hoping maybe there are seals or something that have dried out and can be replaced. But if it is a diff replacement, probably worth getting LSD? Anyone selling one? I saw a group buy thread started in June but didnt look like it went ahead.​
I'm becoming less and less impressed with this tech. You do not "replace the diff". Maybe ESL is a barrier here and he meant "repair" the diff. Looks like the side seals need replacement, along with re-sealing the rear cover... probably 5 hours labor and $50 in new seals.

Installing LSD is a totally different discussion, far more complicated and expensive. Wavetrac is OOS as TimL mentioned, but you can get a Quaife for about $1500 plus another $1500 or so installation cost - installed by a competent rear-end shop, NOT THIS DEALERSHIP.


Keep us posted...

:spend:
3) what else sticks out from the inspection video?​
"Replace steering box" was another knee slapper. At MOST, you need output shaft seals. A few hours labor plus <$50 in seals. Steering box does not need to be removed from the car. I just did this job on 2 cars earlier this year. Details here. The steering box is NLA and cannot be replaced with an OE box, although they would probably charge you $1500 for a rebuilt box while paying C&M Hydraulics $500 for a reman box and conveniently neglecting to mention this on the invoice.


The ball joints are the only item which is of serious concern and should be replaced (<$100 list price for 2 new OE ball joints, $35/ea from discount dealerships). The differential leak is very minor. Many differentials have minor weeping like this and can go for YEARS without developing a serious leak. If it isn't dripping and you don't smell gear oil, I'd ignore it. The steering box - same thing, that leak is TINY, there's just a slight coat of grime. If it isn't dripping you could delay repair until it actually starts to drip. Also, need to verify the steering box isn't damp from a different leak elsewhere dripping down to the box. Ditto for the transmission, dealers will rarely diagnose and replace the leaking seal(s), they'll generally want to rebuild the transmission ($$$$) instead of $50 in seals.

All the above items would be like $300 in parts and a few weekends in DIY labor if you can turn a wrench. I'd love to see the estimate from the service advisor, I wouldn't be surprised if it's somewhere in the $5k-$7k ballpark.

Spark plugs, filters, etc is all pure profit margin for them. Spark plugs get replaced based on mileage (about 30kmi is time to replace). Similar for the filters.
 
Super helpful thanks! Exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to get here - sounds like I should be able to get away with mostly minor repairs. Will be very curious what I actually get from my Service Advisor in terms of recommended repairs. I am not in a position to wrench myself ([insert excuses here]) unfortunately. I'm still looking for a good Indy in the greater Los Angeles area after Matt/Leistung left for the east coast...
 

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