Whats the current recomendation for Caps Rotors?

[sadey1992]

Standard Motor Products is a reboxer. Those are very likely cheap off-brand parts, from Bremi, Facet, or similar mfr.

Beru caps have been gone a long time, I don't think there is any stock remaining, anywhere. There are still a tiny number of the Beru EVL rotors (reboxed Doduco) but they are hard to find.

My local Mercedes dealership ordered 2 rotors for me, both Doduco, and I managed to get 2 Beru boxed Doduco rotors from Napa for a quarter the price. But agreed, not sure I trust the Echlins, according to Napa photos representing them, they are black like Beru, but really the probably doesn't mean squat!

 

[gerryvz]

Like I said, Echlin Ignition is a company that has a factory in Poland, and manufactures the caps and rotors for NAPA. Per their web site. I don't think Echlin Ignition is a reboxer, I do think they are a manufacturer, and likely an OEM for other brands that ARE re-boxers (perhaps not for Mercedes, though).

Echlin Ignition refers to the ignition-related automotive replacement parts made under the Echlin® brand, a professional aftermarket parts line owned by Standard Motor Products (SMP) and sold through NAPA Auto Parts and related distributors.


Key points:

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• Echlin® is a long-established automotive aftermarket parts brand, designing and supplying high-quality replacement components for a wide range of vehicle systems, especially engine management and ignition systems.
• In the context of ignition, the term usually refers to ignition components such as:
  
  • Ignition coils (coil-on-plug, coil packs, cassette coils, pencil coils)
  • Ignition modules
  • Coil connectors and harnesses
  • Distributor assemblies
  • Spark plug wires and related kits
    These parts help generate and deliver the electrical spark that ignites the air/fuel mixture in internal-combustion engines.

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• Echlin ignition coils convert low-voltage electrical current from the battery into high-voltage energy that fires spark plugs.
• Echlin’s ignition products are engineered to match or often exceed original equipment (OE) performance, with extensive testing for durability, heat resistance, and spark energy.
• The brand offers coverage for many domestic and import vehicles with hundreds of part numbers and regularly expanding offerings.

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• Echlin has a long history in automotive parts, including ignition replacement parts since the era when electronic ignitions became standard in vehicles.
• Today it’s part of a broad portfolio of engine management and control parts offered to professional technicians and DIYers alike.

In short, “Echlin Ignition” isn’t a singular technology by itself—it’s the name used for Echlin brand ignition system replacement parts used in automotive repair and maintenance.

 

[emerydc8]

FWIW, I couldn’t find an original Delco ignition switch for my 92 Camaro last fall and I did a few hours of reading through domestic car strings about Standard Motor Products because there was an SMP ignition switch on eBay that fit. I ended up installing it. From what I can tell on the domestic parts side, SMP has a good reputation, often even improving on the designs of OE parts makers. Most people spoke fairly well of SMP, although I don’t know if that quality would carry over due to SMPs ownership of Echlin. I like that Echlin is at least made in Europe.

 

[sadey1992]

Something I realized I've neglected to replace in all this confusion is the rear dust shields behind the distributors. They are black, unlike the ones I keep seeing in photos so I can't see any carbon tracing. I ordered 2 Bosch units from AutohausAZ and will replace those before proceeding any further. Who knows... Maybe I'll get lucky with that being my problem. Seems odd that as soon as I put new Bosch caps and Doduco rotors, it ran perfectly for like 20 miles, and then went completely to crap and quite suddenly too...

 

[sadey1992]

FWIW, I couldn’t find an original Delco ignition switch for my 92 Camaro last fall and I did a few hours of reading through domestic car strings about Standard Motor Products because there was an SMP ignition switch on eBay that fit. I ended up installing it. From what I can tell on the domestic parts side, SMP has a good reputation, often even improving on the designs of OE parts makers. Most people spoke fairly well of SMP, although I don’t know if that quality would carry over due to SMPs ownership of Echlin. I like that Echlin is at least made in Europe.

Maybe they're a brand I should try and report back on...

 

[sadey1992]

1991 manufacturer date stamp from Doduco. Being black unfortunately makes it difficult to see carbon tracing or anything inside. Generally these don't seem to be too bad but who knows.

 

[gsxr]

Those look clean, and are likely serviceable. You normally wouldn't see any carbon tracking, even on the orange Bosch.

When there is a layer of weird, thick goop on the backside... that can cause problems.

 

[sadey1992]

Those look clean, and are likely serviceable. You normally wouldn't see any carbon tracking, even on the orange Bosch.

When there is a layer of weird, thick goop on the backside... that can cause problems.

So it is a bit "goopey" on the backside actually, not terrible, but not non-existent either, like it as a layer you can feel when you rub your finger across it, kinda like scraping soft deteriorated plastic, almost rubbery, not sure if that makes sense... The aluminum behind looks good though, no leaks.

 

[sadey1992]

NOS? 1996 manufacturing date... Purchased from AutohausAZ...

 

[sadey1992]

Well I just spent 5 hours installing new plugs and wires on my m119 and I'm glad to report that so far the 14 mile drive home plus the 1 mi that I ran around my business complex where my shop is and so far so good. I bought Beru wires and the only complaint I have was that one of the coil wires from the far left coil to the left distributor cap was too short. Going to contact FCP Euro and see if they will exchange it for me. Otherwise I hope that this tune-up has done the trick to make my Merc run properly now.

 

[gsxr]

From your photos... you have an R129, and the left coil wire is longer on the R129 vs W124. You need a coil wire ~29" long, vs the ~24" wire from the W124 set. This forum is specific to the 500E / W124 chassis, and the M119.97x engines with LH-SFI (not CIS-E). Sorry about the mixup. See if you can re-use the old coil wire for the left coil.

 

[sadey1992]

From your photos... you have an R129, and the left coil wire is longer on the R129 vs W124. You need a coil wire ~29" long, vs the ~24" wire from the W124 set. This forum is specific to the 500E / W124 chassis, and the M119.97x engines with LH-SFI (not CIS-E). Sorry about the mixup. See if you can re-use the old coil wire for the left coil.

Thank you for letting me know. I know this is a 500E forum, but I've learned so much about this M119 engine on this forum and you all have been so helpful.