Flieben 2022 500E exhaust run

[5thscaleracer]

I have a small back log of customers requesting for exhaust kits.

So we will be doing a small batch run of 10 possibly 20 or more if there are additional people who want to join.

ETA will be in June/July of 2022

Due to material cost increase (lack of raw material production) prices have gone up for 2022 depending on order quantity the price will vary 7-10%

My anticipated cost break down for 2022 for a 20 batch run.

Pricing:
Pre Order pricing
1A) Front Section w/o Catalytic Converters $1712.00
1B) Front Section with 50 state catalytic converter can't offer for 2022 due to EPA regulations on the catalytic converter
2A) Cat Back with factory style tips $1712.00
2B) Cat Back Brabus style tips $1712.00
2C) E420 Cat Back with Dual round tips $1712.00

**** Free Ground Shipping for Pre-Order customers with in the 48 states.****
International shipping available i will offer a $100.00 credit towards shipping for international orders.

50 State bolt on Catalytic converter not available.

Regular pricing on Non-Preorder units

Front Section w/o Catalytic Converter $1800.00
Front Section with 50 State legal Catalytic Converter N/A
Cat Back with Factory Style tips $1850.00
Cat Back with Brabus style Tips $1850.00
E420 Cat Back with Dual Round Tips $1850.00

Similar to the 2021 group buy deposits of $10.00 will be taken (Yes Ten Bucks) this is to claim a kit as part of the 500E Pre-Order pricing.
Deposits due by April 1, 2022

Payment handled through PayPal
PayPal E-mail 5thscaleracer@verizon.net

Please include a note on which kit/setup you plan on purchasing ex: 1a, 2a

Time Table:
Raw Materials will be ordered on April 8, 2022
Bending and exhaust canister production to begin May 2022
Exhaust packing material should arrive from Germany by May 2022
Anticipated shipping date Late June/ Early July

If there are any questions feel free to ask and to those who participated in the past THANK YOU FOR SPREADING THE WORD!

Deposit List
500E
1. 1A Dreaming.haze
2. 2A Smilecenterlab DM Sent 5-19-2022 PIF
3. 2B M-Chanics (PF) (shipped 5-2-2022 Brabus Tip) *1A Pending
4. 2A 46Dodge (canceled order refund issued 3-29-22)
5. 2A Mwaldron DM sent 5-19-2022 <invoice sent 5-20-2022 PIF
6. 1A 2A therealrordog DM Sent 5-19-2022


E420
1. gatorblue92 Cat Back

 

[Jlaa]

Hi JC!

Oh dear, what is this new regulation on the catalytic converters? Such a bummer.

 

[gsxr]

JC, are 49-state, high-flow cats available as an option?

 

[5thscaleracer]

JC, are 49-state, high-flow cats available as an option?

Race cats are available but they are 0 state legal.

Hi JC!

Oh dear, what is this new regulation on the catalytic converters? Such a bummer.

Nothing new I just can’t buy them anymore.

 

[gerryvz]

What would your recommendation be for people who want to buy a 49 or 50-state cat, assuming they want to buy their own?

Will the "front section w/o catalytic converter" have a removable piece so that a cat can be fitted at a later time?

 

[Gatorblue92]

Oh this is tempting... Did you ever make one for the 400E420? I remember someone asking about it in a previous thread but don't know if it ever happened.

 

[5thscaleracer]

What would your recommendation be for people who want to buy a 49 or 50-state cat, assuming they want to buy their own?

Will the "front section w/o catalytic converter" have a removable piece so that a cat can be fitted at a later time?

That’s the problem with the recent crack down on catalytic converters “performance” exhaust companies based in the USA are not able to supply these units.

The catalysts are available but local muffler shops would have to install them.

Depending on state they will need to look up the EO number that is approved.

The catalysts I was supplying are three way heavy metal cats which were 50 state approved and expensive but they worked. The EO on those cats are still valid because they were sold before 9/2021. But after 9/2021 the EO number has been revoked which makes them not approved for use.

Aftermarket cats are not as “heavy”, less elements in the catalysts to do their work. They are cheaper but might not last as long.

The front section comes with a bolt on section (test pipe) which can be removed and replaced with a catalytic version. This was always the case as some customers wished to run a test pipe while others chose to have both. Test pipe for play, catalyst for smog years.

Oh this is tempting... Did you ever make one for the 400E420? I remember someone asking about it in a previous thread but don't know if it ever happened.

I have not simply due to the lack of access to a e420 to verify tip placement.

 

[gsxr]

I have not simply due to the lack of access to a e420 to verify tip placement.

There are some photos on W124performance.com, the 034 tip placement is roughly 1-2 inches vertically higher compared to the 036. Everything else is the same.

 

[1994e500]

I was part of the 2021 group buy and am very happy with my purchase. Great workmanship and love the sound-aggressive when accelerating yet quiet when off the throttle. I got the manifold back without cats.

 

[gerryvz]

I was part of the 2021 group buy and am very happy with my purchase. Great workmanship and love the sound-aggressive when accelerating yet quiet when off the throttle. I got the manifold back without cats.

I’ve been saying for years now, 5SR for President !!!

 

[5thscaleracer]

FYI: I am able to import E4 cats from HJS but it’s a pretty penny to the tune of $1300 each.

 

[5thscaleracer]

There are some photos on W124performance.com, the 034 tip placement is roughly 1-2 inches vertically higher compared to the 036. Everything else is the same.

View attachment 141825

How far off is that image above from a e320?

We fitted a rear can on an e320 when we were thinking of producing them.

 

[gsxr]

E320 and E420 (W124) should be identical. The share the same rear bumper.

 

[5thscaleracer]

E320 and E420 (W124) should be identical. The share the same rear bumper.

Looks like I will be making 400e/e420 exhaust kits on this round.

Thank you for clarifying… we did this test fit and created a jig for the e320 2 years ago but the e320 community showed very little interest.

So spread the word e420 guys!!

 

[Gatorblue92]

Looks like I figured out what I’m doing for exhaust. Is it a bolt on from the cats back or will I need to take it to an exhaust shop?

Also is the E320 pictured above the stock style tips or the Brabus?

 

[5thscaleracer]

Looks like I figured out what I’m doing for exhaust. Is it a bolt on from the cats back or will I need to take it to an exhaust shop?

Also is the E320 pictured above the stock style tips or the Brabus?

Same as the 500E it will be cat back. The connection points are the same for both models.

Tips will be stock or the dual round single wall pictured above.

Can't do brabus because they will not line up with the bumper cut out.

 

[Gatorblue92]

Same as the 500E it will be cat back. The connection points are the same for both models.

Tips will be stock or the dual round single wall pictured above.

Can't do brabus because they will not line up with the bumper cut out.

Perfect. Are you going to use a different item number (2C or something like that) for the 400E420? Prices the same as the 500E? I’m definitely going to get one but wanted to make sure I ordered the right one for the E420.

 

[5thscaleracer]

Perfect. Are you going to use a different item number (2C or something like that) for the 400E420? Prices the same as the 500E? I’m definitely going to get one but wanted to make sure I ordered the right one for the E420.

Price will be the same.

For the 400E we can simply use the following

2A4
2B4

 

[AMGTesTDriverNJ]

Total hijack here but do you plan on doing any more 16v exhausts?

 

[5thscaleracer]

Total hijack here but do you plan on doing any more 16v exhausts?

i have 40 kits in stock ready to ship 16V kits are a regular stocking item for me. I am 100% focused on the 16V platform and burrowed deep in that rabbit hole.

If you have instagram check out @flieben_ca its 90% 16V parts and projects on there.

just so you have a better idea of who i am and how deep I'm involved with the 190E 16V platform.

 

[szvook]

Man I miss that track.

 

[gsxr]

i have 40 kits in stock ready to ship 16V kits are a regular stocking item for me. I am 100% focused on the 16V platform and burrowed deep in that rabbit hole.

If you have instagram check out @flieben_ca its 90% 16V parts and projects on there.

just so you have a better idea of who i am and how deep I'm involved with the 190E 16V platform.

That is AWESOME. Have you lapped a 500E around Willow?

 

[dionphaneuf]

FWIW I got this guy a while back and love it. Great sound, a touching menacing but more restrained than the Eisenmann. Sounds awesome in a tunnel

 

[Jlaa]

i have 40 kits in stock ready to ship 16V kits are a regular stocking item for me. I am 100% focused on the 16V platform and burrowed deep in that rabbit hole.

If you have instagram check out @flieben_ca its 90% 16V parts and projects on there.

just so you have a better idea of who i am and how deep I'm involved with the 190E 16V platform.

Argh what the heck! That M3 was an ex D-mod race car and had almost 20% more horsepower (and more displacement).

 

[5thscaleracer]

That is AWESOME. Have you lapped a 500E around Willow?

No

I have yet to see a 500E owner show up, i have yet to see any other Mercedes owner show up to the track aside from 2 friends who are also 16V owners.

so i doubt i will ever get a chance to play with a 500E.

 

[5thscaleracer]

Argh what the heck! That M3 was an ex D-mod race car and had almost 20% more horsepower (and more displacement).

yeah he usually runs 9-11 seconds faster on any track we visit, the outcome was predictable but it was still a fun exercise.

 

[SJM119]

still taking orders? I'm in for a 2B setup

 

[5thscaleracer]

still taking orders? I'm in for a 2B setup

Orders are open until April. I won’t order material till after April 1st and begin production.

 

[5thscaleracer]

OK looks like we are caught up with other exhaust projects and the 500E is now scheduled to be produced.

Those that have placed a $10.00 deposit you guys are locked in and Thank you!

We are making a run of 20 rear kits all turn down and 5 front sections w/o Catalysts.

Only 4 Turn down kits are up for grabs, it's possible to make more front or back kits but I would need a $10.00 deposit to reserve a kit before raw materials are ordered.

Time Table:
Material order deadline March 14, 2022
Delivery time of materials 2 weeks
Assembly expected to begin week of April 4, 2022
Ready to ship possibly by week of April 18, 2022

 

[46Dodge]

Hello,

What option would you recommend for a 1993 500E to make it sound more aggressive but not to loud?

Thank you for the input...

 

[Gatorblue92]

OK looks like we are caught up with other exhaust projects and the 500E is now scheduled to be produced.

Those that have placed a $10.00 deposit you guys are locked in and Thank you!

We are making a run of 20 rear kits all turn down and 5 front sections w/o Catalysts.

Only 4 Turn down kits are up for grabs, it's possible to make more front or back kits but I would need a $10.00 deposit to reserve a kit before raw materials are ordered.

Time Table:
Material order deadline March 14, 2022
Delivery time of materials 2 weeks
Assembly expected to begin week of April 4, 2022
Ready to ship possibly by week of April 18, 2022

Is it too late to put in my order for the E420 cat back version?

 

[5thscaleracer]

Is it too late to put in my order for the E420 cat back version?

no i am running those at the same time as the 500E units.
These will come with a dual round tip setup that point back. So they won't be turn down like the factory.

Hello,

What option would you recommend for a 1993 500E to make it sound more aggressive but not to loud?

Thank you for the input...

do the cat back only and keep the front end stock with the factory catalytic converters.

 

[46Dodge]

no i am running those at the same time as the 500E units.
These will come with a dual round tip setup that point back. So they won't be turn down like the factory.


do the cat back only and keep the front end stock with the factory catalytic converters.

Hello,

So you are recommending 2A cat back with round tips that stick straight out? Does this bolt right on to the existing pipes or do I need to weld it together? I have a 500E.

Thank you

 

[5thscaleracer]

Hello,

So you are recommending 2A cat back with round tips that stick straight out? Does this bolt right on to the existing pipes or do I need to weld it together? I have a 500E.

Thank you

Ok I got confused…

For the 500e the only thing I am producing are OE turndown look.

The dual round tip that points back is for e420 only.

 

[5thscaleracer]

Looks like I will be doing a small batch of 500e with brabus tips.

So for now this is my plan.

10 front sections
10 rear sections with turn down
5 e420 rear sections with twin tips
5 brabus tips.

Currently there are no deposits so none of these are spoken for.

Material gets ordered on March 14, 2022.

If the proposed quantities above are spoken for and I get a few stragglers after March 14,2022 I won’t be able to help.

Once the material request gets finalized I can’t add more with out an up charge to material.

Those who pre-order will get pre-order pricing.

Those who don’t pre-order will get standard pricing.

Refer to the first post for pricing info.

 

[dreaming.haze]

Just put in a deposit on the front section. Thanks again for putting these together!

 

[5thscaleracer]

Just put in a deposit on the front section. Thanks again for putting these together!

got it i will add a running list on post 1

 

[Gatorblue92]

no i am running those at the same time as the 500E units.
These will come with a dual round tip setup that point back. So they won't be turn down like the factory.


do the cat back only and keep the front end stock with the factory catalytic converters.

Awesome! Just sent in my deposit for the E420 version.

 

[46Dodge]

Ok I got confused…

For the 500e the only thing I am producing are OE turndown look.

The dual round tip that points back is for e420 only.

Would you have a picture of the setup with the turn down tips.

 

[5thscaleracer]

Would you have a picture of the setup with the turn down tips.

2019 Flieben /Leistung Autohaus 500e/e500 exhaust kit group buy | High-Performance Modifications

OK lets get the ball rolling... Time line Deposit Due Date Feb 8, 2019 20% will be due to hold your spot Material order will be placed on Feb 11,2019 Expected Delivery month April There will be periodic updates from time to time as material gets processed, pipes bent, and final assembly takes...

www.500eboard.co

 

[ArauzMotoring]

Finally about to have my exhaust installed. My factory exhaust hangers are pretty beat.

The dealership couldn't get these for me.

Is it this X2?

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[5thscaleracer]

Finally about to have my exhaust installed. My factory exhaust hangers are pretty beat.

The dealership couldn't get these for me.

Is it this X2?

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Wrong one... you need 2 of these

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[ArauzMotoring]

Wrong one... you need 2 of these

Mercedes Exhaust System Hanger - Genuine Mercedes 1244920082

Mercedes Exhaust System Hanger - Genuine Mercedes 1244920082

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Thanks! Placed the order. Luckily I had some store credit to pay for it, too!

 

[smilecenterlab]

deposit sent 2A Setup

 

[46Dodge]

deposit sent for 2A setup for 1993 500E

 

[5thscaleracer]

Raw Material order have been placed.
We are producing the following

10 Front sections
10 Cat Backs with turn down tips
5 Brabus Cat Backs
5 E420 units.

 

[mwaldron]

Place holder deposit sent for a 2nd time.
500E
Cat Back
Turned down tips

 

[5thscaleracer]

deposit sent for 2A setup for 1993 500E

Order canceled refund issued.

 

[therealrordog]

Sir 5SR, is it too late to purchase a complete system for my 500e? (WDBEA36E2NB778799, link)

OEM style tips, manifold back, I don’t care about cats, but will no cats throw a check engine light like modern cars?

I’m still working my way thru cascades punch list. Lol.

 

[gsxr]

Sir 5SR, is it too late to purchase a complete system for my 500e? (WDBEA36E2NB778799, link)

OEM style tips, manifold back, I don’t care about cats, but will no cats throw a check engine light like modern cars?

I’m still working my way thru cascades punch list. Lol.

@therealrordog, welcome to the forum! Removing the cats will not cause a CEL, the O2 sensor is located pre-cats.