You should get it...we can race...
Keeping an eye on it, but if it starts to reach the GT pricing I've been eyeing, well...
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R129 SL 72 AMG (M120 7-liter engine specs)
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Keeping an eye on it, but if it starts to reach the GT pricing I've been eyeing, well...
This RENNtech SL74 is now on BAT
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1998 Mercedes-Benz SL600 RENNtech SL74
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Still drooling
That has to be a typo. I don't think it was possible to achieve those power levels with LH injection back in 1994, and not at 5700rpm, on a 6.9L engine, without forced induction. That would be almost 100hp per liter! Normally aspirated AMG engines in the 2000's couldn't even match that. And AMG/Pagani also couldn't hit those numbers until 2009-2012, achieved by spinning to ~8000rpm.
The standard C70 engine rating is:
365 kw (496 ps / 490hp).
I think the C70-RS power numbers were supposed to be:
415kw (564ps / 557hp)
AMG and other tuners were able to get 525-575hp from 7.2-7.4L so it would be realistic to obtain ~557hp from a 6.9L version.
Great find on the brochure, btw!
PDF of the complete 1994 Carlsson brochure at link below - it was too large (12MB) to upload to the forum:
A typo may be the case. Weird though the typo is also in the graph.
On the other hand, the displacement is also a typo. Afaik it's 6871 cm³ (90 x 90).
And i see more typos in other engine specs. I'll e-mail Carlsson. See if they know.
I was thinking of the 7 liter and bigger V12 engines of Jaguar / TWR from late 80s and early 90s.
Those were race engines from Group C, but some made it to a road car.
The XJR-15 LM. Is said to have a 7,4 liter with 100 hp per liter. And this is road going.
So if Tom Walkinshaw could do the job, i suppose the Hartge brothers could do it too.
On the other hand, the displacement is also a typo. Afaik it's 6871 cm³ (90 x 90).
And i see more typos in other engine specs. I'll e-mail Carlsson. See if they know.
I was thinking of the 7 liter and bigger V12 engines of Jaguar / TWR from late 80s and early 90s.
Those were race engines from Group C, but some made it to a road car.
The XJR-15 LM. Is said to have a 7,4 liter with 100 hp per liter. And this is road going.
So if Tom Walkinshaw could do the job, i suppose the Hartge brothers could do it too.
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If you scroll down in the brochure to the S/SL class, it shows 6880cc there, instead of 6980. Another mis-match...
@weide1
Regarding the 2nd photo you posted---
I have seen these 'sheets/records' pop on a few posts around the web. Where do you get them and what is the source? Thanks.
@weide1 Thank you for the quick response and sorry for the delayed gratitude(s)!
I'll let you know if my contact at Affalterbach can illuminate any further, but as previously mentioned, he confirmed that lots of things have changed in the past few years due to evolving privacy laws. apparently you could get old data cards without proving ownership up until a few years ago--more easily from MB not AMG, and from Porsche as well. Crazy how times have changed....thanks for your help.
I'll let you know if my contact at Affalterbach can illuminate any further, but as previously mentioned, he confirmed that lots of things have changed in the past few years due to evolving privacy laws. apparently you could get old data cards without proving ownership up until a few years ago--more easily from MB not AMG, and from Porsche as well. Crazy how times have changed....thanks for your help.
That specs was for a Lamborghini engine not M120 as I understood.
Also I don't think any boat was ever equipped with such engines. I mean did anyone see a itb equipped m120 in anything else as the known super cars (zonda, GTR & Co)?
I think there was a time when the tuners tried to expand their business and reach a fame as Lamborghini had with the power boats or squeezed a V12 in everything ( brabus clk V12 which never actually drove 1m due to space constraints and resulting issues of putting a sufficient sized radiator infront of the engine)
Also I don't think any boat was ever equipped with such engines. I mean did anyone see a itb equipped m120 in anything else as the known super cars (zonda, GTR & Co)?
I think there was a time when the tuners tried to expand their business and reach a fame as Lamborghini had with the power boats or squeezed a V12 in everything ( brabus clk V12 which never actually drove 1m due to space constraints and resulting issues of putting a sufficient sized radiator infront of the engine)
They might indeed only exist in a brochure. I merely show here what i found elsewhere.
However, a former Carlsson employee confirmed two C70 RS were built.
However, a former Carlsson employee confirmed two C70 RS were built.
MARINE POWER
The Lamborghini factory had never entered any kind of racing, the only Lamborghini’s that ever showed up on the track were private entries, but when the Mimran’s arrived, things changed. Note that the late Ferruccio Lamborghini actually had two four-liters V-12’s installed in his personal Riva...
www.lambocars.com
BIG V12s & SPECIAL VERSIONS / AJ6 Engineering
Few people buy a Jaguar to indulge in tyre smoking races from traffic lights. Nevertheless, it is a fact that even the illustrious V12 struggles to keep pace with the more lively volume produced cars in many urban traffic situations.
www.jagweb.com
I was asked what the possible value of this SL 720 Lotec might be.
It has run 75,812 km
www.carspottingcroatia.com
www.carspottingcroatia.com
It has run 75,812 km
Lotec SL720
Na adresu naše redakcije pristigle su fotografije Loteca SL720, misteriozne zvijeri iz devedesetih godina prošloga stoljeća o kojoj čak niti Google ništa ne zna. Koliko nam je poznato, automobil se bazira na Mercedes-Benzu SL600 četvrte generacije (kodna oznaka R129) iz 1994. godine pokretanom...
www.carspottingcroatia.com
Lotec SL720 / Zagreb
12.11.2022.
Our editorial office received photos of the Loteco SL720, a mysterious beast from the 1990s that even Google knows nothing about.
As far as we know, the car is based on the fourth-generation Mercedes-Benz SL600 (codename R129) from 1994, powered by a 6.0-liter V12 engine.
The gasoline engine was upgraded to a monumental 7.2 liters, but it did not see serial production. Interestingly, a year later, the competitive SL72 AMG arrived on the market.
The German tuner, which gained world fame with the super sports models C1000 and Sirius, reportedly produced only three copies of this model. Zagreb is one of them.
As far as we know, the car is based on the fourth-generation Mercedes-Benz SL600 (codename R129) from 1994, powered by a 6.0-liter V12 engine.
The gasoline engine was upgraded to a monumental 7.2 liters, but it did not see serial production. Interestingly, a year later, the competitive SL72 AMG arrived on the market.
The German tuner, which gained world fame with the super sports models C1000 and Sirius, reportedly produced only three copies of this model. Zagreb is one of them.
Lotec SL720
Lotec SL720, automobil o kojem niti svemogući Google ne zna previše, zasigurno je jedan od najintrigantnijih primjeraka koje možemo pronaći u Lijepoj našoj. Koliko nam je poznato, automobil se bazira na Mercedes-Benzu SL600 četvrte generacije (kodna oznaka R129) iz 1994. godine pokretanom...
www.carspottingcroatia.com
Lotec SL720 / Zagreb
20.05.2024.
The Lotec SL720, a car that even the almighty Google doesn't know too much about, is certainly one of the most intriguing examples that we can find in Lijepa nasa.
As far as we know, the car is based on the fourth-generation Mercedes-Benz SL600 (codename R129) from 1994, powered by a 6.0-liter V12 engine.
The gasoline engine was upgraded to a monumental 7.2 liters and develops around 500 HP, and we can now say with certainty that the German Väth was in charge of the tuning itself, whose services were also used by Koenig Specials.
Unfortunately, the legendary Lotec SL720 never saw serial production, and only three examples were produced. A real shame for a company that made its name with the C1000 and Sirius models.
It is worth adding that in the meantime AMG developed the SL72 model, just like Lorinser, while Renntech went a step further with the SL74 model. What a time for the auto industry!
As far as we know, the car is based on the fourth-generation Mercedes-Benz SL600 (codename R129) from 1994, powered by a 6.0-liter V12 engine.
The gasoline engine was upgraded to a monumental 7.2 liters and develops around 500 HP, and we can now say with certainty that the German Väth was in charge of the tuning itself, whose services were also used by Koenig Specials.
Unfortunately, the legendary Lotec SL720 never saw serial production, and only three examples were produced. A real shame for a company that made its name with the C1000 and Sirius models.
It is worth adding that in the meantime AMG developed the SL72 model, just like Lorinser, while Renntech went a step further with the SL74 model. What a time for the auto industry!
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In the 2022 listing, the paint looks dark Blue... in the 2024 listing, it looks Black. I wonder what the actual Color is? Or was it painted / color-changed?
Looks like a neat car! No idea on value other than "way more than I could ever afford", lol.
Looks like a neat car! No idea on value other than "way more than I could ever afford", lol.
Hi Guys
I wonder if someone could help.
I was looking today at w140 sedan s70.
1997 Japan import
I could see amg engine stamp which says
AMG
0117
7.0
However the plastic plate on top of the engine read 075 .
It would make sense both numbers be the same no?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have few pictures which would indicate real s70
I wonder if someone could help.
I was looking today at w140 sedan s70.
1997 Japan import
I could see amg engine stamp which says
AMG
0117
7.0
However the plastic plate on top of the engine read 075 .
It would make sense both numbers be the same no?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have few pictures which would indicate real s70
"It would make sense both numbers be the same no?"
It sure would make sense. However, i've seen more cars that have these different numbers.
I´d ask Tino Zovko or Bernard Marijanovic on facebook.
They trade, maintain, and build these M120s.
I found some images of 075 on my computer.
It sure would make sense. However, i've seen more cars that have these different numbers.
I´d ask Tino Zovko or Bernard Marijanovic on facebook.
They trade, maintain, and build these M120s.
I found some images of 075 on my computer.
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Thank
thank you.
Hi,
I am new to this thread but I had some interesting info.
I have been able to acquire two SL70's, one SL72 and one SL73 over the last few years. Here is some info that might help:
SL70 manufacture dates are 1996 and 1997 and both cars are 120.983 engines and are stamped AMG 00## 7.0
SL72 manufactured 1995 has an 120.983 engine as well and is stamped AMG 0072. Interesting to note that this car was not badged an sl72 when I bought it
SL73 manufacture dates 1999 also has a 120.983 engine and is stamped AMG 0073
Hopefully this is helpful to someone
I am new to this thread but I had some interesting info.
I have been able to acquire two SL70's, one SL72 and one SL73 over the last few years. Here is some info that might help:
SL70 manufacture dates are 1996 and 1997 and both cars are 120.983 engines and are stamped AMG 00## 7.0
SL72 manufactured 1995 has an 120.983 engine as well and is stamped AMG 0072. Interesting to note that this car was not badged an sl72 when I bought it
SL73 manufacture dates 1999 also has a 120.983 engine and is stamped AMG 0073
Hopefully this is helpful to someone
Yes I do. I can add pics if anyone has questions. From what I can find the sl72 was made in 1995 and early 96 and they are stamped with the amg 72 on the engine block.
The SL72 with 120.983 engine is interesting. When availible, I'd like to see overall images of it. Do you also have images of it, similar to these examples? Thanks in advance.
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Next week I will upload all the pics.
The sl72 was originally badged as an sl 70 but the engine is stamped as a 72 the vin is WDB1290761F126839
That would be great. Looking forward to.
VIN shows Order Location - Tourists (Without USA).
I remember this was discussed before. However i forgot the exact meaning of it. Do you happen to know this?
72 as 120.982, i've only seen in BR140.
72 as 120.980/981, i've seen in BR140 and R129.
So your 72 120.983 is quite rare. And remarkable when ordered as new. Since the 7.3 was upcoming.
VIN shows Order Location - Tourists (Without USA).
I remember this was discussed before. However i forgot the exact meaning of it. Do you happen to know this?
72 as 120.982, i've only seen in BR140.
72 as 120.980/981, i've seen in BR140 and R129.
So your 72 120.983 is quite rare. And remarkable when ordered as new. Since the 7.3 was upcoming.
yeah its really interesting. I think they only made the sl72 in 1995 and early 1996. from what I can gather on the VIN it was ordered for export out of Germany (excluding US market). I think it was sent to AMG from new but I can't be sure.
here is the link to the SL72 I just bought Artcurial
I have checked the engine numbers and its stamped as a 72.
here is the link to the SL72 I just bought Artcurial
I have checked the engine numbers and its stamped as a 72.
Carte grise française
Châssis n° WDB1290761F126839
- Extremely rare model
- Superb condition
- 7.2-litre V12 engine
- Unrivalled performance and comfort
In the 1990s, AMG-modified V12-powered Mercedes SL 600s were released in small numbers, with many going to Japan where they were particularly popular. This is undoubtedly the case with this SL 70, whose career then continued in the Czech Republic, where it was purchased in September 2012 by our collector. After checking its engine number with Mercedes Geneva, it would appear that, instead of the 7L V12 of the SL 70, this car is equipped with the 7.2L of the SL 72 (even more powerful with its 532 bhp), which led the owner to modify the rear boot badge. Next to the chassis plate, an AMG plate specifies the type of special spark plugs used, in the three brands Bosch, Beru and Champion.
Like all the cars in the collection, this SL 70 is in superb condition, with its AMG five-spoke wheels and beautiful light grey paintwork covering the entire body, including the front spoiler and side panels.
AMG badges adorn the door sills and the interior is extremely well preserved, with the seats showing a slight patina and the varnished wood trim still in pristine condition. The magnificent V12 engine occupies the front compartment, which is as meticulously maintained as the rest of the car.
This SL 70 AMG is a rare car, with a range of qualities that make it exceptional. At the end of the 1990s, this car was the queen of the road, with performance and a level of luxury and comfort that had few equals on the market. This is still the case today, as its next owner will be able to see for himself when, with the top down, he takes the car for a spin on the roads of the Riviera or through the twists and turns of the great Alpine cols.
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My recently purchased SL600 is a Tourist car as well. This was a European delivery option for US customers, the car can be collected from the factory with export plates to be driven in Europe then shipped to the US.
As for the AMG variants, the emphasis must be on documentation and verification.
Ident-NummerWDB1290761F126839 6
Verkaufsbezeichnung600 SL, SL 600
Lieferdatum04.10.1995
Lack-Code
Getriebe72262100002667
Innenausstattung
Verkaufsbezeichnung600 SL, SL 600
Lieferdatum04.10.1995
Lack-Code
- 744 Brillantsilber - Metalliclack
- 744 Brillantsilber - Metalliclack
Getriebe72262100002667
Innenausstattung
- 261 Leder - schwarz / anthrazit
- Leuchten BOSCH
- Scheibenwischer BOSCH
The earliest sl73 I have seen were after 1997. Do you have any info otherwise ?
This is what I mentioned earlier, the SL73 must have an Identifier in the datacard just like the E60 AMG and the C36 AMG which were produced much earlier. In the case of the both these cars, the VIN number was from a standard M-B (i.e E500 , C280) but with the AMG technical package both in the Vedoc (remember this CAN BE ALTERED) and the vehicle documentation. Please refer to my thread on verifying the Factory build W124 E60 AMG.
I've seen the 7.3 mentioned in 140 and 129 in brochure in august 1996.
WDB1290761F152791 is from 3/1997, and Order Location - Tourists (Without USA). And AMG serial stamp 0001.
Mercedes VIN Decoder | Decode Your Mercedes-Benz VIN
Datacard for 1997 Mercedes-Benz SL 73 AMG (129.076) - WDB1290761F152791
www.lastvin.com
I've seen Brunei LHD SL73 565 #42 from 3/1997. With AMG serial stamp 0059 by the way.
Sultan of Brunei aged 51 in July 1997. And was offered this SL73.
That has these two rare optical details. Seen on C140 too.
July 1996 he got C140 7.3 565 #9.
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Afaik all 73, and most likely 70 and 72 too, i didn't check, are 600 from VIN. This Fahrzeugdokument is the only SL73, that i have in my archive, that shows 120.990.
Right side, in the middle.
But not when checking VIN though. Only in the German car registration paper.
