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FOR SALE 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 291kmi, $13k (Salem, OR)
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, Black/Black, 250kmi, $5500 (Portland, OR)
I saw and drove the car back in 2014. It was a $5000 car just as described. It is not a bad deal for the right person. Everything is there and it is 040.
I have no room for it and frankly my hobby days are closing. We're looking to move to a condo we own on the Olympic Peninsula in the not to distant future, so I need to get rid of cars rather than buy more. I'm still tryng to figure what I'm going to do with my 500E up there. I'm probably going to have to buy a lot to build a garage.
Ken, looks like you are getting a second chance!!
I saw and drove the car back in 2014. It was a $5000 car just as described. It is not a bad deal for the right person. Everything is there and it is 040.
I have no room for it and frankly my hobby days are closing. We're looking to move to a condo we own on the Olympic Peninsula in the not to distant future, so I need to get rid of cars rather than buy more. I'm still tryng to figure what I'm going to do with my 500E up there. I'm probably going to have to buy a lot to build a garage.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, Black/Black, 250kmi, $5500 (Portland, OR)
Ken, if you bought this, then you would HAVE to buy a lot and build a shop / garage. Problem solved! Now you can't afford not to buy it.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
WHY oh why do you have to be 2348 miles away! I think this would be a great garage mate for MY 93 500E with 238,000 miles. But alas, I have a mortgage and a shrinking retirement...
WHY oh why do you have to be 2348 miles away! I think this would be a great garage mate for MY 93 500E with 238,000 miles. But alas, I have a mortgage and a shrinking retirement...
Howdy, this is my vehicle. I had a pre-purchase inspection completed today by MBI of Portland (Gerry's old hangout spot).
Karl
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I'm going to MBI in the morning to discuss the inspection. Met Karl today who has been a very generous with his time. Thanks again Karl!
Drove the car today and it felt very stable and solid. It's got its quirks, but it will be a project car that will gradually improve.
I'm interested in driving this car and having fun without the worry. As for the exterior, wonder what it would look like with a camo-wrap...
I'm going to MBI in the morning to discuss the inspection. Met Karl today who has been a very generous with his time. Thanks again Karl!
Drove the car today and it felt very stable and solid. It's got its quirks, but it will be a project car that will gradually improve.
I'm interested in driving this car and having fun without the worry. As for the exterior, wonder what it would look like with a camo-wrap...
PPI @ MBI
MBI pointed out that the check engine light was inoperable. As soon as I got home, I pulled out the cluster and found a dead light bulb. I don't have a new bulb, so I switched out the ASR light bulb for now.
And of course, the check engine light immediately came on. I asked MBI when I picked up the car if they had checked for any codes, but they said no. I scanned terminal #19 and got codes #5 and #26. I cleared the codes, went for a drive, shut of the car for 15 minutes, then restarted the car: no check engine light, YAY!
Karl
MBI pointed out that the check engine light was inoperable. As soon as I got home, I pulled out the cluster and found a dead light bulb. I don't have a new bulb, so I switched out the ASR light bulb for now.
And of course, the check engine light immediately came on. I asked MBI when I picked up the car if they had checked for any codes, but they said no. I scanned terminal #19 and got codes #5 and #26. I cleared the codes, went for a drive, shut of the car for 15 minutes, then restarted the car: no check engine light, YAY!
Karl
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
The service advisor was Kevin Fong, but I don't see the inspector's name listed.
The service advisor was Kevin Fong, but I don't see the inspector's name listed.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I know, isn't that weird? $165 for a PPI is pretty cheap, so perhaps it is limited in scope.
Code 26 is usually for the kickdown thingy that attaches to the transmission - this is the broken one from my old 400E. Code #5 is EGR error, but I'm not familiar with the specifics of that one.
I know, isn't that weird? $165 for a PPI is pretty cheap, so perhaps it is limited in scope.
Code 26 is usually for the kickdown thingy that attaches to the transmission - this is the broken one from my old 400E. Code #5 is EGR error, but I'm not familiar with the specifics of that one.
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I sold one of my 400Es on Friday, so I am down to three w124s now. I understand your dilemma (the good and bad).
I sold one of my 400Es on Friday, so I am down to three w124s now. I understand your dilemma (the good and bad).
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
They should have charged you $200 even and thrown it on the STAR C3 machine to pull codes.
Cool. I have met Kevin before, but he started after I moved away from Portland in 2008. I know Brandon fairly well; he's the other service advisor. Brian, Jim and Keith are pretty knowledgeable about the 500E. Keith was actually the tech who installed my BergWerks nitrous system back in about 2004.
They should have charged you $200 even and thrown it on the STAR C3 machine to pull codes.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Code 26 is the cold upshift delay, again this can be vacuum related, the control pressure cable itself is a pretty rare failure.
Most likely both codes can be cleared and remain gone long enough to pass the emissions test; you could clear them right before the test and the CEL will remain off. They require some amount of driving to trigger. And these old OBD-1 systems don't have a register to tell the smoggers that the codes were recently cleared (that's an OBD-2 "feature").
Karl is correct. Code 5 is EGR, and it could be vacuum related, or something with the valve, or tube into the intake manifold. All DIY fixable.
Code 26 is the cold upshift delay, again this can be vacuum related, the control pressure cable itself is a pretty rare failure.
Most likely both codes can be cleared and remain gone long enough to pass the emissions test; you could clear them right before the test and the CEL will remain off. They require some amount of driving to trigger. And these old OBD-1 systems don't have a register to tell the smoggers that the codes were recently cleared (that's an OBD-2 "feature").
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Agree with Dave. The control pressure cable very rarely fails to cause said Code 26.
Rather, it is usually a rubber vacuum connector or plastic vac line failure at the Pierburg electro-vacuum valve that controls the upshift delay, located in the engine compartment. In the pedestrian late W124s, it's located above the brake booster on the driver's side; I can't remember if it's in the same location on the E500E, but I think it is. I think there's a thread on this on the forum.
Generally with CEL related codes, it requires 5-8 "cold start" ignition cycles to trip the light. So the CEL doesn't re-appear right away. If you drive the car, warm it up, stop and clear the CEL and all codes in the system, drive the car some more to get the cats nice and hot, you'll have at least 5 "key off and on" starts before any CEL re-appears. Well past the time that any emissions testing station would see it. So don't worry -- just kill the CEL and clear codes immediately prior to emissions testing, and you'll be just fine.
I've been resetting my CEL for the past couple of years immediately before emissions tests, with no issue. I've finally decided I'm going to attack the issue and get to the bottom of it as my next project. I am 98% sure that the flexible EGR tube that goes from the EGR valve down into the intake manifold is clogged with carbon, so I'll be working to clear this tube. I have two new EGR valve paper gaskets on order from MB right now (one to use; one as a spare).
This EGR tube plugging is a well-documented issue on the US-spec M104 engines, but not as well known on the M119. That said, it's fairly straightforward to clear. In my M104 Top-End Rebuild thread, I detail how I reamed out the EGR tube where it enters the intake manifold; it was about 90% blocked up with carbon (after I'd already cleared it a few years before). You can see a photo of the small "Mount Everest" of carbon vapor/soot material that had deposited itself inside the end of this EGR tube.
A tip -- with the M104, you can circumvent the tube clearing process by opening up the ETA butterfly valve, and go down into the intake system with a 90-degree hooked tool into the end of the EGR tube to "ream" it out. It's a 10-15 minute process that eliminates all of the hassle of the "speedometer cable" reaming process that is much more involved and well-documented to solve this M104 issue.
Unfortunately due to the design of the M119 intake manifold (two-part) and shape/location of the EGR tube, we do not have this luxury. So, a different procedure is required to clear the tube. Of course, I'll have a HOW-TO on this process in the future.
For the record, EGR valve failure is fairly rare, though it can/does happen on occasion.
Cheers,
Gerry
Agree with Dave. The control pressure cable very rarely fails to cause said Code 26.
Rather, it is usually a rubber vacuum connector or plastic vac line failure at the Pierburg electro-vacuum valve that controls the upshift delay, located in the engine compartment. In the pedestrian late W124s, it's located above the brake booster on the driver's side; I can't remember if it's in the same location on the E500E, but I think it is. I think there's a thread on this on the forum.
Generally with CEL related codes, it requires 5-8 "cold start" ignition cycles to trip the light. So the CEL doesn't re-appear right away. If you drive the car, warm it up, stop and clear the CEL and all codes in the system, drive the car some more to get the cats nice and hot, you'll have at least 5 "key off and on" starts before any CEL re-appears. Well past the time that any emissions testing station would see it. So don't worry -- just kill the CEL and clear codes immediately prior to emissions testing, and you'll be just fine.
I've been resetting my CEL for the past couple of years immediately before emissions tests, with no issue. I've finally decided I'm going to attack the issue and get to the bottom of it as my next project. I am 98% sure that the flexible EGR tube that goes from the EGR valve down into the intake manifold is clogged with carbon, so I'll be working to clear this tube. I have two new EGR valve paper gaskets on order from MB right now (one to use; one as a spare).
This EGR tube plugging is a well-documented issue on the US-spec M104 engines, but not as well known on the M119. That said, it's fairly straightforward to clear. In my M104 Top-End Rebuild thread, I detail how I reamed out the EGR tube where it enters the intake manifold; it was about 90% blocked up with carbon (after I'd already cleared it a few years before). You can see a photo of the small "Mount Everest" of carbon vapor/soot material that had deposited itself inside the end of this EGR tube.
A tip -- with the M104, you can circumvent the tube clearing process by opening up the ETA butterfly valve, and go down into the intake system with a 90-degree hooked tool into the end of the EGR tube to "ream" it out. It's a 10-15 minute process that eliminates all of the hassle of the "speedometer cable" reaming process that is much more involved and well-documented to solve this M104 issue.
Unfortunately due to the design of the M119 intake manifold (two-part) and shape/location of the EGR tube, we do not have this luxury. So, a different procedure is required to clear the tube. Of course, I'll have a HOW-TO on this process in the future.
For the record, EGR valve failure is fairly rare, though it can/does happen on occasion.
Cheers,
Gerry
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
well, no deal was to be had, however, Karl has been stellar to work with. i've purchased my share of cars and would recommend him. transparent, honest, easy going.
good luck Karl!
what sucks is i was in the mood to buy. that combined with my mid-life crisis, i've got a small fortune burning a hole in my pocket. there's this little black Audi TT that caught my eye last week.
i'll be back another time forum. seems as if i'm on an orbital path that brings me through once, every 15 months. i love this place! yippee!
well, no deal was to be had, however, Karl has been stellar to work with. i've purchased my share of cars and would recommend him. transparent, honest, easy going.
good luck Karl!
what sucks is i was in the mood to buy. that combined with my mid-life crisis, i've got a small fortune burning a hole in my pocket. there's this little black Audi TT that caught my eye last week.
i'll be back another time forum. seems as if i'm on an orbital path that brings me through once, every 15 months. i love this place! yippee!
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I guess Kevin misunderstood my question - they DID check for all codes. I'm am going to take my w211 E55 in for a PPI from MBI to get a baseline - $160 is very cheap considering how thorough they were.
I guess Kevin misunderstood my question - they DID check for all codes. I'm am going to take my w211 E55 in for a PPI from MBI to get a baseline - $160 is very cheap considering how thorough they were.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I'm sorely tempted by this one but it would mean giving up my 5 speed 300TE with fresh floorboards.
I'm sorely tempted by this one but it would mean giving up my 5 speed 300TE with fresh floorboards.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
If this car wasn't black, it would probably already be in my driveway... can't keep black cars clean here in farmland.
A 500E would be a massive upgrade over a 300TE and you'd never regret it. Seriously, barring a massive crash of the economy, you're going to have a really hard time finding a clean/straight and mostly rust-free 500E for twice this price. Better yet, ditch that 240D. The 500E is 500 times the "weekend toy" factor.
If this car wasn't black, it would probably already be in my driveway... can't keep black cars clean here in farmland.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
The 240D was my grandmother's car. I basically grew up in it so I can't bring myself to sell it. I even took my drivers test in that car. I brought the 500E up to my wife and she said I'm not allowed to sell "her" wagon.
A 500E would be a massive upgrade over a 300TE and you'd never regret it. Seriously, barring a massive crash of the economy, you're going to have a really hard time finding a clean/straight and mostly rust-free 500E for twice this price. Better yet, ditch that 240D. The 500E is 500 times the "weekend toy" factor.
If this car wasn't black, it would probably already be in my driveway... can't keep black cars clean here in farmland.
The 240D was my grandmother's car. I basically grew up in it so I can't bring myself to sell it. I even took my drivers test in that car. I brought the 500E up to my wife and she said I'm not allowed to sell "her" wagon.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Ballpark of $1200 or so, partially depends how quickly it needs to be picked up / delivered.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Patience is your friend when shipping a car. The tough part is finding a truck that is on the right route.
Patience is your friend when shipping a car. The tough part is finding a truck that is on the right route.
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
You can get a quote from transport company brokers free online. Just make sure to figure out if the quote includes the broker fee, which is typically $150-$200. You pay the broker fee up front, then pay the transport driver the balance on delivery (i.e., $200 to the broker up front, $1000 to the driver, on a $1200 quote). Rates vary by supply/demand, origin/destination, how far you are off the beaten path, summer/winter, fuel prices, yadda x3...
Oh, btw, my $1200 very rough ballpark was for open transport. Enclosed transport will run you $2.5-$3.5k or so.
You can get a quote from transport company brokers free online. Just make sure to figure out if the quote includes the broker fee, which is typically $150-$200. You pay the broker fee up front, then pay the transport driver the balance on delivery (i.e., $200 to the broker up front, $1000 to the driver, on a $1200 quote). Rates vary by supply/demand, origin/destination, how far you are off the beaten path, summer/winter, fuel prices, yadda x3...
Oh, btw, my $1200 very rough ballpark was for open transport. Enclosed transport will run you $2.5-$3.5k or so.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
i shipped a car from Georgia to Oregon about 10 years ago. it was an open transport and it cost me around $1200. took about 3+ weeks, making me nervous as hell, because the company quoted me (in broken english) two weeks. daily phone calls just started to upset the office - "vee tink your car is wery, wery close today sir. patient peease, sir" - became their mantra to get the crazy man off the phone.
car arrived fine, i'm a child and the driver was a very nice rooskie who had his wife along as an interpreter. the rest is history.
i shipped a car from Georgia to Oregon about 10 years ago. it was an open transport and it cost me around $1200. took about 3+ weeks, making me nervous as hell, because the company quoted me (in broken english) two weeks. daily phone calls just started to upset the office - "vee tink your car is wery, wery close today sir. patient peease, sir" - became their mantra to get the crazy man off the phone.
car arrived fine, i'm a child and the driver was a very nice rooskie who had his wife along as an interpreter. the rest is history.
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Let them bid on your shipping:
www.uship.com
Run an auction for 7 days and see what you get.
Then check the prices with Montway, they shipped 2 cars for me and I was very happy.
Ron
Let them bid on your shipping:
www.uship.com
Run an auction for 7 days and see what you get.
Then check the prices with Montway, they shipped 2 cars for me and I was very happy.
Ron
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I am going to buy it.
I am going to buy it.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Now on Bring a Trailer:
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Holy Shit! I am on BAT!!!
I've had legitimate calls from Romania, Finland, UK, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Seattle, multiple places in California...
Yet nobody in Portland is interested! ONE person has taken my car for test drive. Insane.
Holy Shit! I am on BAT!!!
I've had legitimate calls from Romania, Finland, UK, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Seattle, multiple places in California...
Yet nobody in Portland is interested! ONE person has taken my car for test drive. Insane.
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
Legitimate calls from Romania !!!! I knew someone had to receive one, I just didn't think it would someone so close.....
My third cousin, the former Oil Minister of Atlantis, is interested but his entire Real Estate portfolio is underwater.
R
Legitimate calls from Romania !!!! I knew someone had to receive one, I just didn't think it would someone so close.....
My third cousin, the former Oil Minister of Atlantis, is interested but his entire Real Estate portfolio is underwater.
R
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I know, it sounds terrible... I haven't fallen for it yet.
I know, it sounds terrible... I haven't fallen for it yet.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I am having a second PPI performed Saturday morning at Mercedes-Benz (Lithia) of Beaverton. I'll keep everyone posted here of the results.
Cheers,
Karl
I am having a second PPI performed Saturday morning at Mercedes-Benz (Lithia) of Beaverton. I'll keep everyone posted here of the results.
Cheers,
Karl
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
My car was on BAT. I Got a lot of calls but never got a test drive, PPI, or purchase out of it.
My car was on BAT. I Got a lot of calls but never got a test drive, PPI, or purchase out of it.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
sig should read:
94 e500;
92 500e w/94 facelift (SOLD)
07 997 Turbo
05 996 Turbo S cab; 03 996 GT2
08 Cayenne Turbo; 09 Maserati Quattroporte GTS
08 S63; 07 AM Vantage V8
09 e92 m3 VF620 supercharged
sig should read:
94 e500;
92 500e w/94 facelift (SOLD)
07 997 Turbo
05 996 Turbo S cab; 03 996 GT2
08 Cayenne Turbo; 09 Maserati Quattroporte GTS
08 S63; 07 AM Vantage V8
09 e92 m3 VF620 supercharged
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
That's more cool cars than you might see at a cars and coffee. Bravo Chris.
That's more cool cars than you might see at a cars and coffee. Bravo Chris.
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Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
I bought it. It will take some work to get to where I'm proud to show it. But, for now, I'm just happy to call myself a 500E owner.
I've been out in it a few times, took the kids (2.5yrs and 5yrs) and wife out for a rip last week, they were over joyed. Well, the kids, anyway. All giggles from the back seat as we tore around some corners. From the wife it was only, "Slow down, slow down!"
Check engine light needs to get sorted, some leaks on it, some shaking in the drivetrain at idle. Off idle it is smooth. Typical sway bar link bushing play will get sorted. Otherwise suspension seems sorted, including the SLS rear. Battery needs replaced, needs jumped nearly every time I start it. Charging appropriately though, so that's good. Hard to know whether to repaint or simply try to retouch the trouble spots... I'll be going through the mechanicals before I worry about the aesthetics. Speaking of aesthetics, don't know if it'll get the E55 AERO II's or some other aftermarket option. I have a hard time doing anything but Aero II's on these... Suggestions are always welcomed.
I'll gather up some more pics, etc., and be posting in the 'owners' forum, eventually.
I bought it. It will take some work to get to where I'm proud to show it. But, for now, I'm just happy to call myself a 500E owner.
I've been out in it a few times, took the kids (2.5yrs and 5yrs) and wife out for a rip last week, they were over joyed. Well, the kids, anyway. All giggles from the back seat as we tore around some corners. From the wife it was only, "Slow down, slow down!"
Check engine light needs to get sorted, some leaks on it, some shaking in the drivetrain at idle. Off idle it is smooth. Typical sway bar link bushing play will get sorted. Otherwise suspension seems sorted, including the SLS rear. Battery needs replaced, needs jumped nearly every time I start it. Charging appropriately though, so that's good. Hard to know whether to repaint or simply try to retouch the trouble spots... I'll be going through the mechanicals before I worry about the aesthetics. Speaking of aesthetics, don't know if it'll get the E55 AERO II's or some other aftermarket option. I have a hard time doing anything but Aero II's on these... Suggestions are always welcomed.
I'll gather up some more pics, etc., and be posting in the 'owners' forum, eventually.
Re: FS: 1993 500E, 040 Black/Black, 265kmi, $5000 (Portland, OR)
FYI - http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3544
FYI - http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3544
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