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FOR SALE 1994 E500, Brilliant Silver/Gray, 37kmi, $80k (King of Prussia, PA)

janos_z

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ADMIN EDIT 1: Reserve not met on BaT, now listed for $80k, see post #36-#37 below.

ADMIN EDIT 2: Now on Pcar auction, see post #45 below.



No affiliation. Looks nice.

VIN: WDBEA36E1RC115160

See this link too: E500 spotted on TV - Chasing Classic Cars | Off-Topic Discussions

BID TO $42,750 ON 3/10/21 - Reserve not met

 

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Price is Right Game 12 is on!


Robert
 
The entire exhaust hurts my eyes, front to back. Note the muffler has some creative welding at the rear hanger. I wonder why the exhaust was replaced to begin with? Should look new at 37k if not rusted. :scratchchin:

Edit: Pretty sure this car would not pass CA emissions unless the aftermarket cats are CARB-approved.

Dunno if those KONI's help value on a 37kmi car. Might be my eyes but the passenger ball joint boot doesn't look right.

Sure is nice inside though; just a bit of wear on the driver bolster.

:pc1:
 
I have record of this car in my personal databnase, dating from December 2008. At that time, the car had 25,683 miles on it, and was located in Portland, CT (likely Wayne Carini). The car came with a factory phone and CD changer.

My comments for the car are as follows:

Appears to be an immaculate, low-miles stock car with no modifications. Asking $37K.

UPDATE 6-11-09: Listed on eBay, with 27,000 mles; appears to be same seller.

UPDATE 1-6-10: Car appears to have been recently sold by same seller for $34K, according to people on the 500Espot.com BBS.
 

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500Eboard Punch List™

  1. Exhaust system is completely non-standard and has had various components replaced; work done is of dubious quality and provenance
  2. Car is missing intermediate muffler as part of exhaust system replacement
  3. Parts of rear muffler and tips have been poorly repainted
  4. Rear tips sticking out too far from edge of rear bumper
  5. Outer gap of driver’s side headlight wiper panel appears to be too small (requires slight adjustment)
  6. Modest sandblasting & paint dings on headlight wiper panels
  7. Strange melting or other plastic wear on plastic grill insert where hood release lever retracts into; requires grill insert replacement
  8. Stone chips and sandblasting on front fender lower cladding just aft of front wheel wells
  9. Door mirror boots are moderately cracked; require replacement
  10. Door lock pins have been replaced with non-standard aluminum pins
  11. Stone chips and sandblasting on rear door lower cladding just forward of rear wheels
  12. Driver’s side of rear windscreen is JUST STARTING to show first signs of delamination about half-way up
  13. Very modest and typical paint blemishes, scratches and dings all over car; repeat — very modest overall
  14. Car appears to be missing lower seal at antenna riser on fender
  15. Scratch on paint finish immediately above antenna on rear fender
  16. Appears that trunk logo has been removed and replaced; “500” numbers appear to be slightly too close together
  17. Driver’s door check strap has been replaced; strap is bare metal and not painted body color
  18. Driver’s seat shows modest cracking and wear on outside bolster
  19. Center console gray plastic is yellowing on sides; typical of gray-interior cars
  20. Wood trim on passenger-side airbag is mis-aligned with outer dashboard fascia wood trim
  21. Scratches in leather on top of gear-lever knob
  22. Cellular telephone has been removed from center console armrest
  23. Modest oxidization on metal door retaining loops/pins
  24. Foot scuffs on driver’s door pocket
  25. Detritus or wire on passenger-side rear speaker cover
  26. Car is missing laminated safety card that attached to jack mount by wire in trunk
  27. Badly yellowed coolant overflow tank requires replacement
  28. Windshield and headlight wiper fluid hoses (to hood and headlight panels) aged/old and require replacement
  29. Rubber grommets for windshield fluid heater lines leaking and require replacement
  30. Blue decal on top of SLS fluid reservoir is faded and mostly brown; requires replacement
  31. Front struts have been replaced, as evidenced by new hardware and yellow paint at upper strut mounts
  32. Piece of old foam or sealant present on outer edge of passenger side of upper radiator support
  33. Seal at top of windshield washer fluid reservoir fluid level sensor is leaking slightly
  34. Paint has peeled and surface oxidation present at ABS/ASR pump mount
  35. Lower cladding attachment bolts underneath car are rusted
  36. Incorrect oxygen sensor with longer cable has been installed; extra cable sloppily gathered together
  37. Brake lines have been replaced with braided lines
  38. Weird duct-tape is wrapped around rear muffler forward of where painting has occurred
  39. Rust caused from parking-curb scrapes on bottom of spare tire well, and rear tow-hook
  40. Appears to be a crack and chipped paint on lower edge of rear bumper, likely from a parking curb snag
  41. Very modest surface rust at various points on car's undercarriage and differential
  42. Inner rear axle boot cracked on passenger side of differential
  43. Tie rod boots in poor condition and could stand to be replaced
  44. Headliner job looks to be of shaky quality, as evidenced by waviness throughout
 
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If I am accurate this car has been hit in the rear. I test drove it years ago before I purchased mine and it had a massive vibration on the highway. Told it was the snow tires!! Later on they admitted it was hit but the work is excellent they stated.
 
If true, that is a huge deal, particularly if the seller knows about it and is not disclosing it.

Are you SURE this is the same car that you test-drove?

Someone should post this to the HaT auction comments and ask the seller what he knows about it.
 
Is there any registration occurrences in Atlanta? Years ago there was a 94 silver / grey car here with low miles and accident history.
Carfax report shows Florida until 2001, with a front-end accident reported in 1996.

From 2001-2008 it was in Massachusetts, possibly where it picked up the brown tinge underneath.

Then it was in Albuquerque area from 2008 until late 2020 when it popped up in PA.

Nothing in GA though, so if the car you recall had GA plates, it must be different.

:matrix:
 
Was this accident reported in the text on the HaT auction on this car?

never mind … I see that it does mention this.
 
This has to be the cheapest yet most extensive resonator delete job I've ever seen... that's a long way to go to keep the factory muffler yet free up some sound... just replace the whole damned thing if you care that much... if the next buyer wants original exhaust that badly they can replace it... but never this... $.02

maw
 
No question that exhaust job is a real hack. The headliner could have been done better. I would say the car was driven in salt/snow a couple of times
Judging by the surface rust underneath. This car is in dire need of chassis rubber.
 
I'm impressed that the odometer is overcoming the exhaust on this example.

:watchdrama:
 
Not surprised with the final results, given accident history and the punch list. And the exhaust. There was more than met the odometer eye with this car.
 
Lol. I'd be interested in that car as a lark at $8-10k. For >$15k....not sure. $5k in parts gets you pretty far if you're doing all of your own work and are willing to punt the AC to down the road. Do W140s have the same evap risk as W124s?
 
I think evaps are far worse on the 140, vs the 124? 90% of the time you pray that CryoSeal or Cliplight chemical sealants will work, and that you won't need to actually replace the evaporator. The S70 seller really goofed by not fixing the cooling system *before* taking the photos.
 
This guy is a MB collector as I’m a butterfly’s collector (which I’m absolutely not). What a moron...
 

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If I am accurate this car has been hit in the rear. I test drove it years ago before I purchased mine and it had a massive vibration on the highway. Told it was the snow tires!! Later on they admitted it was hit but the work is excellent they stated.
I am not 100% but looks like the car. The tell was the 500 badge on the trunk was too low. The car I am referring too was in Florida I believe.
 

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Even the power of a 37k odometer can't overcome a Frankenstein exhaust and other issues down below. This thing is crying out for a complete Leistung/Flieben exhaust.

Also, the passenger side plastic trim is missing on the roller blind. I can't find this in the EPC, hope it isn't only sold with the entire cover, which is NLA of course.

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I think that very low Odos on these actually work against them as we all know the deferred maintenance they require and sitting for a very long time does not help the cause at all.
 
Yes, low odometers do not necessarily mean great condition. The care while turning those miles, regular maintenance, use, and environment means as much. We have all seen low mileage cars that need major work. There are low mileage examples that are in very good condition too. This car has had some problems.

drew
 
not many owners maintain these cars appropriately, to change oil and brake pads and rotors not really enough even it has big bunch of papers.
 
now on Pcarmarket.com


37K-MILE 1994 MERCEDES-BENZ W124 E500
Categories: Non-Porsche / Auction type: Reserve
We are pleased to present this 1994 Mercedes-Benz E500 finished in Brilliant Silver Metallic over a grey leather interior. Commonly regarded as a "wolf in sheep's clothing", the 500E was the result of Mercedes' commissioning of Porsche to re-engineer the W124 platform for high-performance using a large 5.0L V8 borrowed from the 500SL roadster along with the corresponding tuning of the drivetrain and suspension. For the 1994 model year, the W124 received a front-end styling update along with a new 'E 500' designation and larger brakes brakes borrowed from the SL600 model. One of 1,735 examples imported to the U.S. for the model year, this E500 was originally sold from Chambers Motor Cars of Boston, Massachusetts, and has had three caretakers from new. A binder of service records accompanies the car and recent maintenance is said to include the installation of newer springs, shocks, and a factory exhaust system. One of the most sought-after Mercedes-Benz of all time, this E500 is now being offered for auction by its seller out of Pennsylvania showing just under 38k miles on the odometer.
Hand-assembled using Mercedes parts at Porsche’s Rössle-Bau plant in Zuffenhausen, this W124 is finished in Brilliant Silver Metallic with dark grey lower body cladding. The 500E/E500 is distinguishable from the standard W124 by its aggressive stance, flared fenders, side skirts, and front valance. The 1994 model year saw updates to the styling of the W124 including new headlights and a redesigned grille as well as the "E500" designation on the trunklid. The CARFAX reports shows damage to have occurred on the front end in 1996 and the seller reports the front bumper to have been refinsihed as a result. Detailed images are provided in the gallery along with the full CARFAX report. Equipment includes fog lights, and headlight wipers, and 16″ eight-hole wheels dressed in Bridgestone Potenza tires.
Inside, the cabin is trimmed in grey leather with burl wood inlays on the dashboard, door panels, and center console. Factory features include a sunroof, power-operated and front seats, cruise control, automatic climate control, and a power rear sunshade. The seller notes that the cabin remains nicely preserved and confirms that all gauges, lights, and accessories remain functional apart from the rear sunshade and rear headrests which intermittently fail to retract.
The SL500-sourced M119 5.0 L V8 DOHC engine produced up to 315 HP and 347 lb-ft of torque when new. The rear wheels are driven by way of a 4-speed automatic transmission. Porsche specially tuned the self-levelling suspension for a lower and more responsive ride while the 1994 model received the larger front and rear brakes of the SL600 roadster. The CARFAX report highlights services dating back to 2013 and the seller notes that a binder of records will accompany the sale. Newer shocks and springs are said to have been recently installed along with a factor exhaust system.
This sale will be accompanied by the original owner's manuals, maintenance booklet, cellular phone, spare tire, jack, toolkit, carpet floormats, and a clean title. Engineered and hand-assembled by Porsche, this 1994 E500 offers an excellent investment and collecting opportunity.
 

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Yikes is right. I think it's made it to the twenties or thirties on Pcar market. I have the impression that the seller is being very careful about what he says regarding the car's history. Just my impression, though. The car seems to look good in the pictures, but I don't know how much that counts. 80K seems a great deal of money for a car with possibly an uncertain history; the price seems based on the low miles, etc.
 
Undercarriage photos have been added.

Seller says: "I had the exhaust system cleaned up. The PO removed the center resonator. I had it put back in properly."

Their definition of 'properly' doesn't align with my definition, but it's already bid up to $32k. Since the OE cats, crossover, & resonator are NLA... if used ones could not be sourced, it needs a $4k Leistung replacement system. I think it's mostly the same exhaust as previously, with a new section from the catalyst outlet to muffler inlet.

At first, I thought the LCA's were replaced, but on closer inspection they appear to be the same as before - just cleaned up very well. Ditto for the rear suspension links. I think the underside was dry-ice blasted since the BaHaT photos. And, the "newer" springs & struts (not shocks) were also present as of the photos in early 2021. I'm still not certain if the LCA's are OE/OEM or aftermarket.

"A binder of service records accompanies the car and recent maintenance is said to include the installation of newer springs, shocks, and a factory exhaust system.
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The CARFAX report highlights services dating back to 2013 and the seller notes that a binder of records will accompany the sale. Newer shocks and springs are said to have been recently installed along with a factor exhaust system. "​
 

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It got to 51K. My impression (and I have not seen the car in person, I hasten to add) is that this is an average car, displaying very low miles for its age, which appears to have incomplete documentation and some repairs which are not up to snuff. This seems to be one of those situations where the things the seller did not say are at least as significant as what WAS said.

A fully documented no-stories E500 with mileage this low might indeed bring 80K dollars. But I don't think this is fully documented, and as for no stories... well, perhaps it falls short on that score as well. Pity.
 
I'm not familiar with P-car auctions, but it appears reserve was not met. Why does it say "being finalized"?

$51k is a long ways from $80k though. I hope bidders Googled the VIN.

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