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All is not well that is in the well

DerFuror

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I had a few small detailing jobs I wanted to do that were all related to the trunk area. Since the jobs were somewhat interdependent, I decided that I would wait until the time was right & do them all at once. I'm glad I did not wait any longer to start this work.

One of the jobs required removing the inner trunk linings. The bracket holding the autotelephone transmitter/receiver unit had to be removed to allow the easy removal of the driver side inner trunk lining.

As I reached down to the base of the bracket, I felt an oily residue. I figured the previous owner may have been carrying a quart of oil in the rear fender well which evidently leaked at one time. I removed the bracket’s four mounting screws, removed the autotelephone unit & then removed the left lining.

I discovered two interesting things that may affect any of our cars... :blink:

1. I could see daylight. The drain line from the C-Pillar was not inserted through its drain hole. The line had somehow backed out of the hole & terminated into the fender well. Thankfully, my car spent most of its life in a very dry climate & has seen very little rain since. Thankfully there was no sign of water, dampness or corrosion. Those of you living in wet climates may want to check for this problem. There is a drain plug in the front of the well, but it could be clogged with debris thereby allowing water to pool with no means of evacuation.

2. What a gooey, sticky mess. The oily substance was not from a leaky motor oil container. It comes from the end of the sunroof cable containing tube. The bottom of this tube is crimped, but evidently not crimped shut. Everytime you lube your sunroof cable, it will eventually ooze its way into the base of the fender well & make an oily mess. I assume any moisture along the cable travels the same path.

Correction started with a non-metallic scraper followed by a good vacuuming. The front & rear well plugs were removed & cleaned. Then several liberal dousings & wipings with a degreaser took place. An old toothbrush worked great for scrubbing tight areas. Throw an old rag underneath the plug holes to capture any of the mess that falls thru. The foam liner over the tube disintegrated in my hands because of oily saturation.

Now that the well was clean & looking new, I set about making sure the mess never happened again. First, I sprayed a little silicone spray on the C-Pillar drain tube & reinserted it thru the drain hole where it is supposed to be. Problem 1 solved. The front drain plug was also reinserted into its hole.

Next, I used a piece of surplus flexible tubing which fit over the tube nicely. I cut a section to replace the disintegrated foam buffer. This acts as a buffer to prevent metal to metal contact between the inner fender & tube.

I took some measurements, then punched a ½ inch hole thru the center of the rear well plug. I clamped one end of flexible tube over the cable containing tube, then ran the end thru this plug providing a nice, tight fit. Now, if anymore goop flows out from the cable tube, it will travel thru this tube and be evacuated to the great outdoors. Problem 2 solved.

This area is now proper, clean & possibly better than original design.
 

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Nice write-up, thanks for taking the time to document this!
 
MInor edit: That metal tube is the end of the sunroof cable, not the antenna mast. The antenna is entirely self-contained.

You cannot lubricate the sunroof cable without fully disassembling the sunroof mechanism and removing the entire cable, cleaning it, using the correct Gleitpaste lube, and re-inserting. BIG job, not fun, but if lubing just the sunroof mech itself (felt pads, etc) doesn't cure slow operation... pulling the cable for a full lube should do the trick. Maybe someone used the wrong lube in the past? It really shouldn't leak out the bottom like that.

:detective:
 
Ditto to what Dave said -- the Hirschmann antenna really has no way/place to leak lube/goo externally, and that indeed is the sunroof cable. I've never seen that leak either -- on any of my cars that have had sunroofs with the same type of cable design, and that includes W116, W126, and W124 cars. Very weird. Good that you discovered it and provided a heads up though. I have had the trunk linings off of both my SEC and my E500 in recent months and definitely can say there was nothing like that. Sort of a pain on the E500 because the blue bottle resides on that side of the trunk.....

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Upon further review, the defective item is indeed the sunroof tube outlet pipe (p/n 124 782 05 17). I've revised most of the previous writeup's terminology.

After looking at the EPC diagram, I now question whether the pipe in my car has been altered in the past to cause this situation. The EPC diagram gives the impression that the horizontal length of the pipe has a crimped end, but is longer than what currently resides in my car.

The pipe in my car must not be to spec, otherwise any member's car residing in a hot climate would exhibit the same. Regardless, the sunroof operates properly.

If anyone ever happens to access this area in the future, please post a picture & state the length of the horizontal pipe section from mounting clip to end. Thanks.

Also, the leaking goop is confirmed as Gleitpaste (or what we like to call "Weiner-schlieder" if we have a couple extra containers of it on the shelf...) ;)
 

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I recently put the trunk liners back in and I remember my tube being about the same length as yours. I did not have any residue in the area and I live in a hot climate (Miami). The amount of goo seems a bit excessive. Could some other liquid, water perhaps, flowed through the line and pushed more paste out? Maybe a PO sprayed a thinner lubricant in there as well and it mixed with the gleitgoo.
 
Well, well, the plot thickens regarding the sunroof tube outlet pipe. :detective:

One of the jobs I'm doing necessitates the rear bumper removal. While doing a little cleaning, I notice an unplugged hole on the lower left side of the rear body (which is normally covered by the rear bumper). There is no corresponding hole on the right side.

The hole goes straight into the back of the rear left trunk well. I'm under the impression that this is the intended exhaust hole for the outlet pipe. I'm also starting to think that the outlet pipe may have been cut & crimped by the original jobber that installed the autotelephone transmitter/receiver (there would be no other reason for someone to ever go into this area... unless mounting a blue bottle...)
:nos:

For the time being, I'll plug this hole (I prefer the location of my newly modified exhaust tube).
 

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That hole is plugged on my car - pics below.

The sunroof tube is normally crimped at the end, just as yours is in the pics... appears factory to me.

:detective:

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I won't lose sleep, but It still just makes me wonder why the hole is there... :brudda:
BTW, Don't tell me you are going neon on us (under bumper mounted lighting effects)! Upcoming trip to Vegas? :lolol:
 

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DerFuror said:
BTW, Don't tell me you are going neon on us (under bumper mounted lighting effects)! Upcoming trip to Vegas? :lolol:
Nope! That was for a K40 rear antenna, long gone though... one of the previous owners must have installed the system, but there was no trace of it when I got the car in 2004. I have since removed the dangly wire. I use Valentine-1 now.

:bartman:
 
Re: All is now well that is in the well

DerFuror said:
For the time being, I'll plug this hole ...
Plugged. Moving on. :e500launch:
 

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