Yep, we always avoid Meyle although I did see a steering or tensioner damper marked Meyle and Stabilus. I would trust Stabilus as I've seen numerous MB original parts marked Stabilus. I think my W201 son's MB 96€ steering damper was a Stabilus.
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are these sportline LCA good for 93 500E?Late Sportline is indeed 1243303607 and 1243303707 and works with big brakes.
Late standard is 1243303407 and 1243303507 but NLA, also works with big brakes. These were popular prior to NLA.
Early standard is 1243303007 and 1243303107 but doesn't clear big brakes.
The late Sportlines will be $700-$900 per pair, depending on the vendor... maybe try these guys in southern Texas? No affiliation, I haven't ordered from them before. Dunno if they charge sales tax:
124-330-36-07 - Control MB Parts Source
Factory Direct Control (1243303607) For Yourwww.mbpartsource.com
124-330-37-07 - Transverse Control Arm MB Parts Source
Factory Direct Transverse Control Arm (1243303707) For Your
Nope. All the aftermarket late LCA's have junk balljoints. If you roll the dice on any of them, at least add a bunch of good synthetic grease to the balljoint before installing, and pray it lasts.
See post #9 earier in this thread. Why do your LCA's need to be replaced? If they are the late style and the ball joint is not damaged, rebuild them!!
Those are fine, but have been NLA for years. And, they will increase ride firmness / harshness somewhat.
i will rebuild mine but i want to swap a new set and have the other ones as a spareNope. All the aftermarket late LCA's have junk balljoints. If you roll the dice on any of them, at least add a bunch of good synthetic grease to the balljoint before installing, and pray it lasts.
See post #9 earier in this thread. Why do your LCA's need to be replaced? If they are the late style and the ball joint is not damaged, rebuild them!!
Those are fine, but have been NLA for years. And, they will increase ride firmness / harshness somewhat.
Any new aftermarket LCA's will be lower quality. Your originals are the good stuff...
i just checked online and it’s saying that the sport line LCA are in stock, am i missing something?Nope. All the aftermarket late LCA's have junk balljoints. If you roll the dice on any of them, at least add a bunch of good synthetic grease to the balljoint before installing, and pray it lasts.
See post #9 earier in this thread. Why do your LCA's need to be replaced? If they are the late style and the ball joint is not damaged, rebuild them!!
Those are fine, but have been NLA for years. And, they will increase ride firmness / harshness somewhat.
Left side may be available.
Right side is NLA. If you can't get a pair, a single side is useless.
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that sucks, only one side is available, bummerLeft side may be available.
Right side is NLA. If you can't get a pair, a single side is useless.
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what about the 1995 E320, are those LCA available from the dealer? i don’t know the oart number for themLeft side may be available.
Right side is NLA. If you can't get a pair, a single side is useless.
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Same part number as the E500 or E420.
LCA style is based on the front brake rotor size. All 124 and 129 chassis with 294, 295, 320, or 334mm front brakes must use the late-style with non-replaceable ball joint.
Only 284mm and 300mm front brakes fit the "early" LCA with replaceable ball joints.
Only 284mm and 300mm front brakes fit the "early" LCA with replaceable ball joints.
are those available from the dealer or aftermarket only?
All the OE/dealer LCA's are NLA, either both sides, or one side of the matching pair.
Only aftermarket is available for early or late.
NO aftermarket Sportline LCA's exist. Sportlines were dealer-only until NLA.
got it, so besides rebuilding the ones from the car on the late models what would be next best option?
and for the 95 E320, what is the best aftermarket option?
i will do some digging maybe i have a chance finding an OE set if not will do aftermarket or ill look for a rebuildable set in good condition
Next best option is picking up a good set of used ones from the junkyard to rebuild, and swap on. Ideally, from a car that was not in a wreck.
See above - best option is rebuilding OE LCA's.
Aftermarket, AFAIK they are all equally bad, pick the least bad brand name and add a bunch of grease to the joint before installing.
I haven't seen OE LCA's for sale in years. If you find any, don't be surprised if they are pushing the €5k territory like 036 headlights and SLS hydrolegs...
you think its possible to buy aftermarket LCA and swap the balljoint with OE joint?Next best option is picking up a good set of used ones from the junkyard to rebuild, and swap on. Ideally, from a car that was not in a wreck.
See above - best option is rebuilding OE LCA's.
Aftermarket, AFAIK they are all equally bad, pick the least bad brand name and add a bunch of grease to the joint before installing.
I haven't seen OE LCA's for sale in years. If you find any, don't be surprised if they are pushing the €5k territory like 036 headlights and SLS hydrolegs...
if i go to a junck yard how would i know if the LCA are OE or replaced with aftermarket?
or ieven if it’s aftermarket but the earlier version with removable ball joint its fine?
The underside of the balljoint is unique on the OE late LCA's. Looks completely different than all aftermarket late LCA's.
Early LCA's with removable ball joint will touch the back of the rotors on cars that need late LCA's, unless you go nuts with a grinder, and cut a hole in the dust shield... generally not a good idea. And it doesn't help much because the early LCA's are also NLA.
Bushing replacement is straightforward, just make SURE to match the position of the "nubs", as there is a very specific orientation for each pair of bushings. There are detailed photos on my website if needed. The special tools are helpful if you have them, otherwise you'll need to fabricate something to press them in without deforming the metal shells.
No, all the bushing kits went NLA. Be careful though, MB systems are superceding some of the kit part numbers to a single bushing, which is crazy priced. AND, you need two different types of bushings, and it appears one is also NLA. So if your dealer says "sure, we can get that"... no, they cannot.
Best option is to use aftermarket Lemforder bushing kits, made in Brazil.
Awesome - thanks. Gonna get some for my parts stash.
from what year to what year the w124 had rebuildable LCA? i want to look for a parts car and would like to know what years i should look for, thanks
it is based on the engine, not the year. Early LCA's with replaceable ball joints were used with diesels and M103 engines in all 124 chassis.
But these will interfere with the brake rotors on cars with M104 or M119 engines (except for early 500E with the smaller brakes).
You should be safe with W124s from model year 1989 through 1992, for the rebuildable LCA. 1994 and 1995 are a hard "No" for rebuildable, and 1993 as said would depend on the breakpoint, so I would say no to that too, unless you want to research the VIN (or post it here) of the donor car.
There are exceptions. For 124 models delivered to North America:
The 1990-1993 300CE (M104) and also 1992 (M119) 400E all have non-replaceable ball joints.
The 1995 E300 diesel has replaceable ball joints.
There are additional differences for the R129 chassis, and ROW of course, where 124 diesels were sold through at least 1995.
The 1990-1993 300CE (M104) and also 1992 (M119) 400E all have non-replaceable ball joints.
The 1995 E300 diesel has replaceable ball joints.
There are additional differences for the R129 chassis, and ROW of course, where 124 diesels were sold through at least 1995.
On my long gone 85-300E I had these bushings replaced by a front end frame repair and alignment shop. I had removed them from the car and took them the the lower suspension frames and the bushings. For them it was an easy task and not very expensive but that was around 25 years ago. I would assume any shop that does front end repair work could do this work.
got it, so the early LCA will work on the prefacelift 500E but everything else would be aftermarket option and a lot of grease, correct?it is based on the engine, not the year. Early LCA's with replaceable ball joints were used with diesels and M103 engines in all 124 chassis.
But these will interfere with the brake rotors on cars with M104 or M119 engines (except for early 500E with the smaller brakes).
Not all prefacelift 500E. The 500E break point was during 1993 USA model year production.
If the car has brakes which require the late LCA, for NEW LCA's, yes... aftermarket with extra grease added.
I have yet to find an OE late LCA with an intact dust/grease boot, and a failed ball joint, even with 200-250kmi. If the boot is intact, the joint SHOULD be fine. However when the boots fail... the joints generally don't last long once water & dirt enter. More info in this thread.
so all prefacelift 500E that date up to 1993, got it, thank you very muchNot all prefacelift 500E. The 500E break point was during 1993 USA model year production.
If the car has brakes which require the late LCA, for NEW LCA's, yes... aftermarket with extra grease added.
I have yet to find an OE late LCA with an intact dust/grease boot, and a failed ball joint, even with 200-250kmi. If the boot is intact, the joint SHOULD be fine. However when the boots fail... the joints generally don't last long once water & dirt enter. More info in this thread.
any recommendations on type of grease?Not all prefacelift 500E. The 500E break point was during 1993 USA model year production.
If the car has brakes which require the late LCA, for NEW LCA's, yes... aftermarket with extra grease added.
I have yet to find an OE late LCA with an intact dust/grease boot, and a failed ball joint, even with 200-250kmi. If the boot is intact, the joint SHOULD be fine. However when the boots fail... the joints generally don't last long once water & dirt enter. More info in this thread.
is the ball joint still available from the dealer or is NLA?Not all prefacelift 500E. The 500E break point was during 1993 USA model year production.
If the car has brakes which require the late LCA, for NEW LCA's, yes... aftermarket with extra grease added.
I have yet to find an OE late LCA with an intact dust/grease boot, and a failed ball joint, even with 200-250kmi. If the boot is intact, the joint SHOULD be fine. However when the boots fail... the joints generally don't last long once water & dirt enter. More info in this thread.
Early replaceable ball joint is still available new from the dealer. It is "clocked" and must be pressed into place in a specific position, follow the FSM procedure.
do you mind sharing the part number for that ball joint please
found the grease, thank you
what is the part number for the OE ball joint covers?
i looked aver the threads but i couldn’t find the part number for the ball joint
ill check again, thank you
my apologies, i was not able to find the part number for the OE ball joint, can someone tell me the thread number that contains that information please, i was able to find only the rubber boot replacement part number but not the ball joint, thank you
Click here for a thread with the p/n info.
If you do not have an EPC, or ISPPI subscription, I would highly recommend getting one!
If you do not have an EPC, or ISPPI subscription, I would highly recommend getting one!
hi Dave, i am sorry but i am not familiar with EPC and ISPPI, what is that?
thank you for the ball joint information
EPC is what the dealers used to look up parts for decades. This was replaced with Xentry Parts for the dealers, and ISPPI for indy shops and private owners. More details in this thread.
Sample screenshot below from the EPC:
got it, thank you very much Dave, ill look into it
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