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Electric car impact on fuel availabilty and pricing in future(?)

Just days after Audi extended its combustion engine timeline, Mercedes is doing the same. CEO Ola Källenius says the brand is making a "course correction" and will keep producing gas-powered models longer than planned due to slower EV adoption. 1f440.png203c.png
Originally targeting full electrification by 2030 “where market conditions allow,” Mercedes now sees a dual gas-and-electric approach as the most realistic path.
 
Just days after Audi extended its combustion engine timeline, Mercedes is doing the same. CEO Ola Källenius says the brand is making a "course correction" and will keep producing gas-powered models longer than planned due to slower EV adoption. View attachment 217419View attachment 217420
Originally targeting full electrification by 2030 “where market conditions allow,” Mercedes now sees a dual gas-and-electric approach as the most realistic path.
EV is a completely scam and unrealistic. There is nothing wrong with Electric motors but not sufficient enough or harmless enough to the environment.
 
wow!



I was about to post this. I think the Chinese have a good handle on electric. They're going to own this technology for a while. The smart money for domestic manufacturers is to partner with them and sell these under domestic branding instead of spending millions trying to develop a product that won't compete. It's been done before:

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To me an EV would be like driving a refrigerator an electric stove a washing machine or electric dryer. It’s just an APPLIANCE!
I think it will work one some cars. Like an all electric rolls royce where silence from the engine is expected. As they're packaged today, they're not attractive because it's all big screen form over function. But so is every other new car.
 
A few interesting points from Cousin Pierre in his latest rant - he is also rocking a Dave Grohl look!! 🎸

Pierre finds many things objectionable in this video. But to me, nothing is more objectionable then the way he pronounces Leyland. It's literally spelled as it's pronounced.
 
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Pierre finds many things objectionable in this video. But to me, nothing is more objectionable then the way he pronounces Leyland. It's literally spelled as it's pronounced.
I did chuckle at that myself and wonder if it was an American thing.
 
Slightly off the main topic but the McLaren Formula E team will be disbanded at the end of the season as a new owner could not be found:

 
Mercedes CEO Warns Europe's Car Industry Could Collapse: 'We Need a Reality Check'
Unless the EU changes its mind, automakers are heading 'full speed against a wall.'


Only a few years ago, Mercedes-Benz was confident about going all-in on electric vehicles in Europe. In 2021, it projected that by the end of the decade, it would stop selling cars with combustion engines "where market conditions allow." Not only has the luxury brand dropped this ambitious goal, but it has also taken a 180-degree turn. Without ICE vehicles, the company’s head honcho believes the local automotive industry will "collapse."

In an interview with the German business newspaper Handelsblatt (subscription required), Ola Källenius warned that if the EU’s sales ban on new combustion-engine cars remains in place for 2035, Europe’s automotive industry will implode:

'We need a reality check. Otherwise, we are heading at full speed against a wall. Of course, we have to decarbonize, but it has to be done in a technology-neutral way. We must not lose sight of our economy.'
The Mercedes boss, who is also president of the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA), cautions that the continent’s car industry will “collapse” if the EU doesn’t drop the ban. Before regulators outlaw new ICE vehicles, Källenius predicts customers will rush to buy gas and diesel cars ahead of the deadline, set to take effect in nine and a half years, which “doesn’t help the climate at all.”


Electric vehicles are nowhere near the 100 percent market share the EU wants to impose. In the first half of the year, cars without a combustion engine accounted for just 17.5 percent of total sales in EU countries, the UK, and the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) nations, namely Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland. ACEA data also shows that plug-in hybrids represented only 8.7 percent of total deliveries. Traditional hybrids made up 35 percent, but that figure includes mild-hybrids, which many would argue are not “true” hybrids.

The EU’s 2035 ban is not set in stone, as it is scheduled for review in the coming months. However, as recently as March, the European Commission (EC), the EU’s executive arm, reaffirmed its commitment to 0 g/km CO₂ emissions for new cars sold from the middle of the next decade. At the time, the EC said it would “accelerate work on the preparation of the foreseen review of the CO₂ Standards Regulation for cars and vans,” signaling a possible earlier reassessment of the ban.

Mercedes has reason to be concerned about the potential impact on its business. EV sales accounted for only 8.4 percent of its global shipments in the first half of 2025, down from 9.7 percent in the same period of 2024. Even when including PHEVs, electrified models made up just 20.1 percent of total deliveries in the first six months of the year.

Whether common sense will prevail remains to be seen, but given the strong opposition the EU is facing, there is hope the ban could be eased to some extent. We wouldn’t be surprised if, at the very least, plug-in hybrids and maybe full hybrids continue beyond 2034.
 
I found this while searching for a true EV vs ICE comparison including sourcing the materials, actually building the things and then the use of them all added up together.

I am a little concerned by the 14 year average lifespan of an EV and ICE, the average of my 2 x ICEs is already 21 years which is only going to rise...


Also, no mention of the impact at the end of their lives e.g. recycling etc.
 
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I think “climate change” has become a sort of religion for some. I agree with you—as long as I can decide to operate an ICE vehicle I have no problem with EVs. But when my insurance premiums increase to subsidize the insane cost of repairing EVs or they arbitrarily penalize the ICE owners then I do have a problem. Some here have even suggested that Mercedes’ commitment to EVs factored into the decision to cut back on parts production for older cars. That’s probably true—they seem to want everyone in an EV.
 
I think “climate change” has become a sort of religion for some. I agree with you—as long as I can decide to operate an ICE vehicle I have no problem with EVs. But when my insurance premiums increase to subsidize the insane cost of repairing EVs or they arbitrarily penalize the ICE owners then I do have a problem. Some here have even suggested that Mercedes’ commitment to EVs factored into the decision to cut back on parts production for older cars. That’s probably true—they seem to want everyone in an EV.
Its the new(est) cult and from the same people that don't know what to be angry about until they're told
 
2 esteemed old English (motoring journalist) gits talking about cars, the discussion is very much on point with the thoughts of many here e.g. lack of buttons, peak ICE years, Jaguar cutting it's own throat etc. etc.

 
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Jaguar.

My guess is that within the next 2-3 years, perhaps sooner, there will be another wholesale changing of the leadership guard, and another "reboot" of the cars' design with a refocus on the performance/luxury roots, with industrial design an evolution of where things were some 15-20 years ago, as a starting point. And of course, the new generation will be ICE vehicles (perhaps with EV variants as part of the product line).

The current "pink woke" period of Jaguar history will be quickly forgotten and suppressed as an experiment/anomaly.

There is just too much heritage and equity in the "classic" Jaguar brand for it not to be re-constituted as a "back to the future" rebuilding of the marque.
 
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Jaguar.

My guess is that within the next 2-3 years, perhaps sooner, there will be another wholesale changing of the leadership guard, and another "reboot" of the cars' design with a refocus on the performance/luxury roots, with industrial design an evolution of where things were some 15-20 years ago, as a starting point. And of course, the new generation will be ICE vehicles (perhaps with EV variants as part of the product line).

The current "pink woke" period of Jaguar history will be quickly forgotten and suppressed as an experiment/anomaly.

There is just too much heritage and equity in the "classic" Jaguar brand for it not to be re-constituted as a "back to the future" rebuilding of the marque.
I agree, Jaguar was one of the last bastions of British motoring along with Lotus etc.

They will either disappear into obscurity or re-invent possibly themselves if it all goes horribly wrong.

I don't believe there is much of an appetite from the British public to keep Jaguar "alive" and it will probably die a slow lingering death under its Indian owners...

I guess it depends how many of you 63 million Americans do or don't buy their upcoming offerings.
 
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Volvo's EX90 EV dubbed 'A Dumpster Fire Inside A Train Wreck'. Nice.

"Even unlocking and starting the car is an issue.
"The phone as a key does not work. It's not reliable and I gave up using it," she said, which is in line with my experience on the first drive. "I do have a [key] fob, and that hasn't worked since day one. So I depend on the key card entirely."
But if it's raining, Greer says she often has to hold the card up to the door sensor for 60-90 seconds. Usually, she says, it's more like 40 seconds. She also described a harrowing situation where the EX90 limited its power output as she was merging onto the highway, with the vehicle refusing to accelerate past 40 mph with the throttle pinned. "

 
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