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Euro E500E Headlights - NLA as of August 2017
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Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Thanks. Figured it out. One of the links in here was going to a different part number when clicked, I think for the assembly including the corner. These will be good spares in the event something goes wacky on those HID's.
Thanks. Figured it out. One of the links in here was going to a different part number when clicked, I think for the assembly including the corner. These will be good spares in the event something goes wacky on those HID's.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Anyone who is on the fence, I'd order soon... there's no telling when (1) they might go NLA, (2) the price might shoot back up, or (3) the comm block will come back to spoil the party!
Now if we could just get the comm block lifted on the early 500E Euro lenses!!
Anyone who is on the fence, I'd order soon... there's no telling when (1) they might go NLA, (2) the price might shoot back up, or (3) the comm block will come back to spoil the party!
Now if we could just get the comm block lifted on the early 500E Euro lenses!!
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
What he said......I'm sure I could dig through archives here to find but want to make sure I don't have guesswork
mine actually came in too and look great, another dumb question probably already answered so I apologize in advance for re-asking.... Does anyone have experience doing the install on these and is it a pretty easy diy that a doofus like me with just a hardware store socket set and a screw driver could do? Are there any other major parts removals necessary to be able to easily access everything?
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What he said......I'm sure I could dig through archives here to find but want to make sure I don't have guesswork
mine actually came in too and look great, another dumb question probably already answered so I apologize in advance for re-asking.... Does anyone have experience doing the install on these and is it a pretty easy diy that a doofus like me with just a hardware store socket set and a screw driver could do? Are there any other major parts removals necessary to be able to easily access everything?
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Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
H4 = main bulb, 60/55 watt
H3 = high-beam bulb, 55 watt
T4 = city light (optional), 4-watt
Note: City light bulb is 4 watt and has a T4 base, EPC shows it as "T4W", OE number 072601-012900. There is a 5 watt halogen which also works, Osram # 64111, also Osram 3886X is a 6-watt version.
EDIT: Bumper fog lights use H1 bulb, 55 watt.
H4 = main bulb, 60/55 watt
H3 = high-beam bulb, 55 watt
T4 = city light (optional), 4-watt
Note: City light bulb is 4 watt and has a T4 base, EPC shows it as "T4W", OE number 072601-012900. There is a 5 watt halogen which also works, Osram # 64111, also Osram 3886X is a 6-watt version.
EDIT: Bumper fog lights use H1 bulb, 55 watt.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
On mboemparts.com i got this part number for the fog lens'. is this correct? and all I need to replace for a fresh look?
Thanks!
003-826-36-90
LENS, RIGHT
$109.52
003-826-35-90
LENS, LEFT
$109.52
On mboemparts.com i got this part number for the fog lens'. is this correct? and all I need to replace for a fresh look?
Thanks!
003-826-36-90
LENS, RIGHT
$109.52
003-826-35-90
LENS, LEFT
$109.52
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Scroll up to post #44. It's better to buy the complete lamp assembly, instead of just the lens. Especially for only two bucks more!
http://www.mboemparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1298200156
http://www.mboemparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1298200256
Anyone order the headlights recently? Just wondering if they are still available.
Scroll up to post #44. It's better to buy the complete lamp assembly, instead of just the lens. Especially for only two bucks more!
http://www.mboemparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1298200156
http://www.mboemparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1298200256
Anyone order the headlights recently? Just wondering if they are still available.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
I ordered the (UK Traffic) facelift Euro E500 Headlamps pair a few days ago. They should be here next week so I'll post pics when they get here from Germany.
I would also like to buy the pre-facelift Euro E500 lamps (UK traffic again) for my E36 build soon. This means I will also have the correct lamps to hand then should I decide to covert my 500E to pre facelift trim in he future (Steal them back from the E36!)
I ordered the (UK Traffic) facelift Euro E500 Headlamps pair a few days ago. They should be here next week so I'll post pics when they get here from Germany.
I would also like to buy the pre-facelift Euro E500 lamps (UK traffic again) for my E36 build soon. This means I will also have the correct lamps to hand then should I decide to covert my 500E to pre facelift trim in he future (Steal them back from the E36!)
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
as an FYI, looks like the osram 70/65 are no longer manufactured but candle power believes these +100s from Vosla are a suitable replacement http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
2 other questions before I "bulb-up" my euros:
- I have yet to see any illuminated pictures of the above but have noted from old posts that Ntrepid's list here seems to be pretty well tested with people on this forum, but I wanted to confirm that I shouldn't expect too "white" of a light.....I realize that makes for better performance but I want to be careful to not have lights that appear too modern for the car and I actually like the older school aesthetic of that more "incandescent light bulb" kind of look and was hoping these still have the same hue just brighter (other reality is I live in the city and don't do much if any backroad night driving where I would be more concerned)
- I also purchased the euro all white turn signals to be accurate with my car as a eurospec, does anyone have a P/N for the correct Amber bulbs (I was receiving conflicting parts between autohaus az and genuinemercedesparts.com trying to just navigate to it)
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as an FYI, looks like the osram 70/65 are no longer manufactured but candle power believes these +100s from Vosla are a suitable replacement http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
2 other questions before I "bulb-up" my euros:
- I have yet to see any illuminated pictures of the above but have noted from old posts that Ntrepid's list here seems to be pretty well tested with people on this forum, but I wanted to confirm that I shouldn't expect too "white" of a light.....I realize that makes for better performance but I want to be careful to not have lights that appear too modern for the car and I actually like the older school aesthetic of that more "incandescent light bulb" kind of look and was hoping these still have the same hue just brighter (other reality is I live in the city and don't do much if any backroad night driving where I would be more concerned)
- I also purchased the euro all white turn signals to be accurate with my car as a eurospec, does anyone have a P/N for the correct Amber bulbs (I was receiving conflicting parts between autohaus az and genuinemercedesparts.com trying to just navigate to it)
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Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Your first question - don't worry about those bulbs being too "white". They are perfect, put out great light, and won't make your car look like a ricer.
Your second question - don't know. I also have the hella white corner lights with amber bulbs but never thought that there was a "correct" vs incorrect amber bulb. I'm interested in what others may say on this.
Your first question - don't worry about those bulbs being too "white". They are perfect, put out great light, and won't make your car look like a ricer.
Your second question - don't know. I also have the hella white corner lights with amber bulbs but never thought that there was a "correct" vs incorrect amber bulb. I'm interested in what others may say on this.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
The difference is the Pin Fitment. For a W124 you require BA15S fitment bulbs. (180 degree Pins)
Much less common than the offset pins variety motor factor's stock.
The difference is the Pin Fitment. For a W124 you require BA15S fitment bulbs. (180 degree Pins)
Much less common than the offset pins variety motor factor's stock.
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Ah ok. And, the bulb needs to have a dual filament. One for the driving lights and the other for the turn signal light.
Ah ok. And, the bulb needs to have a dual filament. One for the driving lights and the other for the turn signal light.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Hey everyone,
I was able to confirm that both the Osram 70/65 and also 85/80 are no longer manufactured.
The 70/65 are pretty much gone (Dan Stern has one pair left available as of yesterday), but there is sizeable inventory for the 85/80 version if anyone was considering that route.
He also confirmed that there is a brand new Philips H4 bulb which is approximately equivalent to the old (NLA) Osram 70/65. It's considered a "+130" bulb and based on info I've seen thus far, it appears to be a pretty good replacement for the 70/65.
Website:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/products/products.html
You can't order online, but he responds quickly via email: dastern@torque.net
He carries H1 and H3 bulbs as well, for the fog lights and high beams respectively, on E500E Euro lights. And pretty much any other bulb you'd ever need.
Some detailed techie information on the Osram 70/65 and an older Philips "plus" bulb (along with 2 others) is in this thread, for you electrical engineer types:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?392498-Interesting-headlight-bulb-test-results
Hey everyone,
I was able to confirm that both the Osram 70/65 and also 85/80 are no longer manufactured.
The 70/65 are pretty much gone (Dan Stern has one pair left available as of yesterday), but there is sizeable inventory for the 85/80 version if anyone was considering that route. He also confirmed that there is a brand new Philips H4 bulb which is approximately equivalent to the old (NLA) Osram 70/65. It's considered a "+130" bulb and based on info I've seen thus far, it appears to be a pretty good replacement for the 70/65.
Website:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/products/products.html
You can't order online, but he responds quickly via email: dastern@torque.net
- 60/55W Philips Plus +130: $21.59/ea
- 85/80W Osram Rallye $24.59/ea
He carries H1 and H3 bulbs as well, for the fog lights and high beams respectively, on E500E Euro lights. And pretty much any other bulb you'd ever need.
Some detailed techie information on the Osram 70/65 and an older Philips "plus" bulb (along with 2 others) is in this thread, for you electrical engineer types:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?392498-Interesting-headlight-bulb-test-results
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Today the E500 Headlamps got here from MB Germany. They are the UK Traffic version E500 headlamps. Some pics attached.
They come without bulbs which for £££ headlamps is a bit miserable - but fortunately I had new boxed quality bulbs on the shelf for them.
The original little Wiper arms were in a sorry state with the paint chipped & peeling off. So I spent WAY too much time sanding them back and several layers of filler / etch primer followed by 3 top coats of Satin Black.
Today the E500 Headlamps got here from MB Germany. They are the UK Traffic version E500 headlamps. Some pics attached.
They come without bulbs which for £££ headlamps is a bit miserable - but fortunately I had new boxed quality bulbs on the shelf for them.
The original little Wiper arms were in a sorry state with the paint chipped & peeling off. So I spent WAY too much time sanding them back and several layers of filler / etch primer followed by 3 top coats of Satin Black.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
I bought two new (R&L) Hella boxed headlights many years ago for my 1995 W124 E250D which I never used as per below pics.
I wonder if they would fit in my '92 500E since you reminded me with your MB E500 headlights purchase. I see that the numbers are different...
Does anyone know these Hella codes? Do they fit 500E as a facelift I mean.
I only have pics of the R Headlight for now.
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I bought two new (R&L) Hella boxed headlights many years ago for my 1995 W124 E250D which I never used as per below pics.
I wonder if they would fit in my '92 500E since you reminded me with your MB E500 headlights purchase. I see that the numbers are different...
Does anyone know these Hella codes? Do they fit 500E as a facelift I mean.
I only have pics of the R Headlight for now.
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Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
The E500E lights are unique to the 124.036 chassis and provide 2 fog lights (in the bumper) with 4 high beams.
^^^ What Jeff said. They will physically fit, but you will end up with 4 fog lights and 2 high beams. (And, the facelift 94-95 lens shape will look funny with a pre-facelift hood/grille.)
The E500E lights are unique to the 124.036 chassis and provide 2 fog lights (in the bumper) with 4 high beams.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
'Real' E500E headlamps are most easily distinguished by the Chrome reflectors & lenses. So yes not only will the driving lamps be incorrect (Fogs in stock units) but it is tell tale that the car has the wrong lamps fitted just at a glance.
My car came with the wrong stock Headlamps and it always bugged me so I'm glad to have the correct lamps now. Not to mention that the headlamp aim is now correct for our roads and the high beam is restored as designed
'Real' E500E headlamps are most easily distinguished by the Chrome reflectors & lenses. So yes not only will the driving lamps be incorrect (Fogs in stock units) but it is tell tale that the car has the wrong lamps fitted just at a glance.
My car came with the wrong stock Headlamps and it always bugged me so I'm glad to have the correct lamps now. Not to mention that the headlamp aim is now correct for our roads and the high beam is restored as designed
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Just an FYI here. I ordered a set of these for one of my clients today and Paragon showed more than 50 of each (left/right) of the 94-95 euro headlight assy's (124 820 35 57/124 820 36 57) and more than 250 each of the 92-93 euro lenses (000 820 12 66/000 820 13 66). All stock is still in Germany so it'll take a week to get, but looks like there's still plenty left.
Interestingly, there was only 30ish of the headlight units when I ordered some back in April, so perhaps there was a new batch produced.
Just an FYI here. I ordered a set of these for one of my clients today and Paragon showed more than 50 of each (left/right) of the 94-95 euro headlight assy's (124 820 35 57/124 820 36 57) and more than 250 each of the 92-93 euro lenses (000 820 12 66/000 820 13 66). All stock is still in Germany so it'll take a week to get, but looks like there's still plenty left.
Interestingly, there was only 30ish of the headlight units when I ordered some back in April, so perhaps there was a new batch produced.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
BTW, where did you buy your lenses? Was that €310 EUR total or $310 USD?
Yes, but ONLY on 1994 USA-spec E500 lights. They will not work on 92-93 500E USA lights.
BTW, where did you buy your lenses? Was that €310 EUR total or $310 USD?
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
+1 I have done this on a pair of NAM 94/5 headlights.
Jeff
+1 I have done this on a pair of NAM 94/5 headlights.
Jeff
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Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
actually pic is from online just used it as reference. Bummer on no fitment for 1992-1993 models. You guys with 1994 model year have it so easy
Yes, but ONLY on 1994 USA-spec E500 lights. They will not work on 92-93 500E USA lights.
BTW, where did you buy your lenses? Was that €310 EUR total or $310 USD?
actually pic is from online just used it as reference. Bummer on no fitment for 1992-1993 models. You guys with 1994 model year have it so easy
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
Dario:
Even if you use the 94/95 headlights as cores, you will still be missing the city light as well as the vacuum adjustment, so you are giving up 2 important Euro features.
Jeff
Dario:
Even if you use the 94/95 headlights as cores, you will still be missing the city light as well as the vacuum adjustment, so you are giving up 2 important Euro features.
Jeff
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
...and, you don't want to use 94/95 headlights as cores from E320/E420, since the reflectors are different than the 94 E500 USA lights... besides the stuff Jeff mentioned above.
You can still build a set of the pre-facelift Euro lights/lenses but it isn't cheap. And if the comm block is still on the early lenses, that's a PITA.
...and, you don't want to use 94/95 headlights as cores from E320/E420, since the reflectors are different than the 94 E500 USA lights... besides the stuff Jeff mentioned above.
You can still build a set of the pre-facelift Euro lights/lenses but it isn't cheap. And if the comm block is still on the early lenses, that's a PITA.
Re: Euro E500 Headlights - Easily Ordered online!
When we ordered them yesterday afternoon, none of them were comm-blocked and all were open and available for ordering with stock in Germany. In my experience lately, the comm-blocked thing seems to come and go quite often, so some days it works and some it doesn't. My advice is that if you try and they are blocked, try again in a week or so and you might get lucky!
Regards,
Steve
Thank you, Steve! Just curious, are the 92-93 Euro lenses (000 820 12 66/000 820 13 66) still Comm Blocked, or has that been lifted?
When we ordered them yesterday afternoon, none of them were comm-blocked and all were open and available for ordering with stock in Germany. In my experience lately, the comm-blocked thing seems to come and go quite often, so some days it works and some it doesn't. My advice is that if you try and they are blocked, try again in a week or so and you might get lucky!
Regards,
Steve
Recent rumor is that the .036 headlight assemblies are rapidly going NLA. We can still get lenses (for now, according to the MB Classic site) but if you want complete Euro headlight assemblies... uh-oh.
I'm pretty sure this is the current status, if anyone can confirm or deny based on Paragon data (NOT online vendor websites) that would be helpful:
Pre-facelift:
124-820-43-59 - 500E Euro left headlamp - NLA
124-820-44-59 - 500E Euro right headlamp - NLA
Facelift:
124-820-35-57 - E500 Euro left headlamp - "Plenty" available per MBCC
124-820-36-57 - E500 Euro right headlamp - Confirmed NLA per MBCC
Pre-facelift:
124-820-47-59 - 500E USA left headlamp - NLA
124-820-48-59 - 500E USA right headlamp - NLA
Facelift:
124-820-07-57 - E500 USA left headlamp - Still available (quantity unknown)
124-820-08-57 - E500 USA right headlamp - NLA
I'm pretty sure this is the current status, if anyone can confirm or deny based on Paragon data (NOT online vendor websites) that would be helpful:
Pre-facelift:
124-820-43-59 - 500E Euro left headlamp - NLA
124-820-44-59 - 500E Euro right headlamp - NLA
Facelift:
124-820-35-57 - E500 Euro left headlamp - "Plenty" available per MBCC
124-820-36-57 - E500 Euro right headlamp - Confirmed NLA per MBCC
Pre-facelift:
124-820-47-59 - 500E USA left headlamp - NLA
124-820-48-59 - 500E USA right headlamp - NLA
Facelift:
124-820-07-57 - E500 USA left headlamp - Still available (quantity unknown)
124-820-08-57 - E500 USA right headlamp - NLA
For the headlamp assemblies, unless you can find some on a dealer's shelf, you're likely out of luck. Speed-Autoteile just orders from a German dealer, they don't stock this stuff either.
Again, lenses (for right-hand traffic in USA and most of Europe) are still available - only the complete headlights are (mostly) NLA.
Pre-facelift lenses:
000-820-12-66 - 500E Euro lens, left (Confirmed available Aug-2017, inventory is ~180, see post #102.)
000-820-13-66 - 500E Euro lens, right (Confirmed available Aug-2017, inventory is ~180, see post #102.)
Facelift lenses:
124-820-57-66 - E500 Euro lens, left (will fit 1994 E500 USA headlamps)
124-820-58-66 - E500 Euro lens, right (will fit 1994 E500 USA headlamps)
I'm glad I got mine. I do have 20mm laminex on them to help prevent rock chips. Maybe I need to get 40mm now.
Maybe MB will make a run sometime in the future. We can wish.
I am ordering a left, that is where my small crack is, lucky, and have my backup pair via Robert Fenton, thank goodness
I have unopened & sealed Lamin-x Clear Lighting Covers (both headlights & fogs) for 94 E500 (fits 94-95 E-Class) that I no longer need.
Purchased from Lamin-x website several years ago. Not sure what their sealed shelf-life is, but I assume all adhesives are still good.
If interested, I am willing to pass on to a member here at a very reasonable price. $35 shipped sounds fair?
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