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I was young, I was foolish, and I was lied to!

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Hello all,

I was scammed and scammed hard.

(tl:dr available at the bottom)

First, a bit of back story. It was the spring of my junior year in college (EE degree) and I had landed a co-op in the capital (Madison). Problem was I didn't own a car at the time. I spent a good 3 months searching the internet, trying to figure out what to buy with my four grand budget. Finally Kent at MercedesSource convinced me. I was going to get a W124 coupe.

Two weeks after I made the decision, the black coupe in the pictures I've attached showed up on Craigslist. After talking with the father and son selling the car, I drove it around the nice suburban neighborhood. I inspected the wiring harness and a few other things and it seemed fine. But, I was looking through some heavily tinted rose colored glasses. I loved the car and probably would have bought it even if a tire came off during the test drive.

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(I know you're asking "why didn't just get a car fax?" and the answer is... because I'm an idiot, alright are you happy now?!)

It was a great car... for a while. Three months in, the AC stopped. So I replaced the blower motor and regulator (I posted a how-to guide about how to do it cheaply on here somewhere).

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And then everything was fine, for a month. The driver window stopped rolling all the way up without help, so I disassembled the doors and Lubed All Of The Things!, then the radio quit, then the taillight went out, the the blinkers stopped working, then the horn, then the center carrier barring, then noticing the thing leaked oil from half a hundred places, on and on it went.

I enjoy working on cars, and I loved this Benz, even as temperamental as it was, but it was getting ridiculous and I was having a hard time fixing the thing as fast as it was breaking down. Plus certain things weren't adding up. I re-flowed the flasher relay, but the blinkers still wouldn't work. I replaced the relay, but the flashers still wouldn't work. I finally had to go through and clean every connector between the relay and the flashers and then it worked. It had a bit too much corrosion for 110,000 miles.

Fast forward to two weeks ago and I've made the decision to get a different car. I had just landed a job as a test engineer at a defense contractor and couldn't afford to break down in the rougher neighborhoods of Milwaukee.

I found a Lexus I wanted in Milwaukee. So, my father and I headed out on Saturday to get it... and it didn't go particularly well. On the way up, my transmission started slipping when changing gears. It was refusing to hook up until the car's speed had fallen below 50 and I had used most of my extensive inventory of profanities. The problem could be somewhat solved my revving the engine to 5 grand, at which point it was slam into gear with considerable violence. Eventually I just switched into 3rd and left it there. Then the battery light came on. I pulled into a rest stop and lifted up the front passenger side to try to get a better look at the alternator. I was inundated with oil, along with most of the rest of the underside of the car. Two years of just replacing the oil that leaked out at had finally come back to bite me.

So, we limped the malicious Mercedes to a different dealership Mercedes dealership in Madison. They were very kind and charged the battery for free, unfortunate they didn't have anything in my price range. Shout out to Zimbrick Mercedes of Madison on the beltline! Fully believing the thing would completely die on the way to trade it in (I'm convinced the car new we were getting rid of it) we limped it the rest of the way to Milwaukee.

To wrap up what turned out to be a long story, we finally got there. After the test drive and deciding to by the lexus hs250h (I knew I should get a prius and this was as close as I could make myself get to owning one), we got to negotiating. I had them the title to my Benz and they come back with some really pointed questions about how long i had owned the car. Turns out, It had 300,000 miles on it! The odometer had read 223k in 2011, then 86k in 2014. God I was pissed at the former owners for lying their asses off and at myself for being a fucking idiot. They offered $500 for it. I looked out the dealership windows, into the pouring rain. I knew that my car would not make the 200 mile trip back home, so I bit my tongue and took it up the ass like a man.

I will definitely be buying a Mercedes in the future, I loved that Benz even if it was a tired example. Depending on the prices in 5 years, I think I'd like to get a 1972 SE w108. The w109 is a bit more frightening from a maintenance perspective. If not, I was love to get another w124 coupe and through a bit of money at it. Something like images below, but I would be conservative with the rims and probably couldn't afford to recreate the Hammer.

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Well, thanks for listening to my surprisingly long rant haha.


TL: dR My beloved if tempermental w124 coupe's odometer said 110,000, but was somewhere near 300,000 miles. I didn't find this out until I tried to trade it in.
 

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well..bummer..
But to be fair...if that car has done 300k miles...it looks like one hell of a good maintained one!looks fantastic
 
I have a couple of coupes and really enjoy them.
I really like the M104 MB's, but they weren't made perfectly.
So, it is inevitable that you will have some issues, especially at over 300k miles.

Some owners change out the clusters because the gears tend to break down. However, sellers should notify potential buyers of the actual mileage, etc.

One day you will probably regain the love for the W124 coupe. These cars, when done right, are very good looking cars.
Many of us coupe owners dream of creating a Hammer-like coupe.

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Well, thanks for listening to my surprisingly long rant haha.


TL: dR My beloved if tempermental w124 coupe's odometer said 110,000, but was somewhere near 300,000 miles. I didn't find this out until I tried to trade it in.
 
Many of us coupe owners dream of creating a Hammer-like coupe.

Have you also priced out what it would cost? I think I gave up when the numbers started exceeding $50,000 haha. If I was going to spend that much, it would be hard not to buy a slightly used C coupe amg 63. Hell, if 50 grand is being spent, might as well spend 100 and get the E AMG 43 coupe when it comes out.
 
well..bummer..
But to be fair...if that car has done 300k miles...it looks like one hell of a good maintained one!looks fantastic

Thanks, those pictures were taken after I had spent about 2 and a half hours polishing that turd. And I think you're right. Someone took very good care of it for the first 180,000. But, then not so much.

Here are a few of the problems you can't see in the pictures:

There are the large rust holes in each of the rear wheel wells. The rear windows are scratched to hell because the tires were flinging rocks and salt into the window regulators for years before I patch them up.

Transmission fluid is leaking into the passenger foot well (Some vacuum seal has degraded, and started allowing the vacuum system to slowly pull the tranny fluid into a control box, and then it would leak into the cabin. Or at least the best explanation I was able to find after a lot of googling. I fixed the problem by adding a bit more tranny fluid haha)

Oil is getting into the cubby hole between the rear seats. I don't even have a theory as to how that's happening.

All of the shocks and springs are well and truly blown. (If I made a sharp left with a passenger over 250lb, the tire would hit the fender)

A vacuum pod in the dash blew, meaning I could only get air out of certain vents.

Passenger seat controls worked only half the time.

The most emotionally damaging failure was the last day the rear headrest release broke. That feature was one of the most useless in the car, and also my favorite.

TL : DR :
There are other failings, but you get the idea. Owning that car was like being in love with a beautiful meth addict. It was great for a time, but sooner or later it was going to take all my money and leave me stranded when I need it most.
 
Nice analogy on the meth addiction, sh*t happens. It sounds to me like the only person that was scammed is me when I clicked on this thread :(
 
If you saw it in person and said that you would have bought it if the tire fell off, you can't really say that the car was misrepresented. It's a Wisconsin car so there is no surprise that it has rust. Values on these old cars is very subjective and really dependent on what a buyer and seller can agree on. In any case, we've all had buyers remorse at one time or another. Consider filing this thread under 'educational expenses' and see if you can get a rebate in April :)
 
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If you saw it in person and said that you would have bought it if the tire fell off, you can't really say that the car was misrepresented. It's a Wisconsin car so there is no surprise that it has rust. Values on these old cars is very subjective and really dependent on what a buyer and seller can agree on. In any case, we've all had buyers remorse at one time or another. Consider filing this thread under 'educational expenses' and see if you can get a rebate in April :)

Haha I can absolutely say the car was misrepresented. The odometer was rolled back nearly 200,000 miles during the sellers time with the car. They marketed it, and sold it as if it were a 100k mile car. If the ad for the car had the actual mileage posted, I would have never made the trip to see it let alone buy it. They also lied on several questions about the condition, but I didn't pick up on it because the upper wiring harness had been replaced and the interior was in good condition.

If this sounds like an honest sale to you, then boy do I have one hell of a bridge to sell you.
:teufel:
 

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!

I would hardly count my car as a ricer, although it does have the optional factory sport pack... which consists of some different wheels and a lip spoiler for my fwd car haha. I got a 2010 hs250 h. It looks pretty much exactly like [the photo attached].

I needed a really reliable and cheap to run machine. Most of my research and friends said Prius, but I just couldn't do it. This car is as close as I will let myself get. I sacrifice 12 mpg for 700lbs worth of sound deadening, comfier suspension, leather everything, and interesting gadgets like lane keep assist, active cruise control, and a flip up screen for navigation that's a bit antiquated but works well even after 7 years.

I really wanted another Mercedes, but I don't care much for mid-2000s Mercedes (except the sl and cl) and that's all I could afford. I would have loved a really good condition w124, but there's no way the bank was going to give me a loan for it. It would just get ruined by Wisconsin's winters anyway :/ .
 

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Ok its not a Prius. No Man
Card Violation. MCV

now, i was breakin' ballz cuz they are breakable on this thread. Thanks for the diversion. You buy any car you Want to.[emoji1563]
 
Ok its not a Prius. No Man
Card Violation. MCV

now, i was breakin' ballz cuz they are breakable on this thread. Thanks for the diversion. You buy any car you Want to.[emoji1563]


1. I had never seen that abbreviation before.

2. I'll have you know that this machine (hs250h) got the 2.4l Camry engine instead of the Prius's 1.9l, and I would smoke your 500E in the quarter mile! (assuming the 500 lost 3 of its cylinders and 2 of its wheels on the way)

3. It's less 'buy the car you want to' and more 'buy the car you can afford to'. With a bigger budget and no need for practicality, I'd be pouring dollars into trying to get a manual transmission into one of the following:
 

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I would have loved a really good condition w124, but there's no way the bank was going to give me a loan for it. It would just get ruined by Wisconsin's winters anyway :/ .
If you're going to sacrifice a car to the gods of rock salt in nor'east winters... thank you for not destroying a 124. :)

For that usage I would have recommended a late W210 4Matic, or early W211 4Matic, which would have been affordable but at 10+ years old may not have been easy to get a loan for.

BTW, years ago there was a 500E for sale with a major odometer rollback, and it got shredded by forum members. IIRC, the seller eventually had to trade it in at a dealer...

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3. It's less 'buy the car you want to' and more 'buy the car you can afford to'. With a bigger budget and no need for practicality, I'd be pouring dollars into trying to get a manual transmission into one of the following:

I'll help you save some money and suggest getting one of these instead. It comes with a manual from the factory which makes it cheaper than any conversion. They also sound quite delightful.

Chin up, we've all bought sh*t cars at one time or another. I have garage full of cars that will give beverly hills club a run for their money. I'll likely never get around to restoring these cars, so my only satisfaction now is knowing that I gave a bunch of sellers the happiest day in their life when i bought them.
 

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For that usage I would have recommended a late W210 4Matic, or early W211 4Matic, which would have been affordable but at 10+ years old may not have been easy to get a loan for.

:watchdrama:

I was looking at a beige 2007 w211 with about 90k miles for $10k-ish, but my parents said they wouldn't co-sign a loan on a Mercedes... or jag, or Mx5. Damn, I really wish my c124 could have lived another year so my credit rating would be higher. I would absolutely buy that Jag I posted ealier and watch as it ruined my life haha. (The jag is actually for sale near Chicago for 19,999)
 
I'll help you save some money and suggest getting one of these [Aston Martin DB9] instead. It comes with a manual from the factory which makes it cheaper than any conversion. They also sound quite delightful.

Those cars are awesome. I think I like the Jag's aesthetic a bit more than the Astons', but it's like a 9.4 compared with a 9.2. The Jag is 19,999 and the cheapest Aston on autotrader is 36,000. Would a conversion cost more than 16k? (I'm purposefully ignoring the massive hit I would take in sunk costs. There is no way in hell I could resell a converted Jag for anywhere near what I would have into it, while the Aston could conceivably appreciate in value)

Chin up, we've all bought sh*t cars at one time or another. I have garage full of cars that will give beverly hills club a run for their money. I'll likely never get around to restoring these cars, so my only satisfaction now is knowing that I gave a bunch of sellers the happiest day in their life when i bought them.

I'm not overly tore up about it, it was only a 3 grand mistake which when taking about cars isn't too bad. I'm more annoyed that I let the seller blow that much smoke up my ass haha.
 
I thought about putting a tremic 6 speed into my 94 XJS V12. The guy I bought my XJ12C from sells the conversion kits for about $5000.00 including the pedals and the ski slope of the center console. Even though, from my understanding, it's a PITA job. It's not worth it in my mind. There's always another car with a manual gearbox that i'd spend money on... like a BMW.
 
There's always another car with a manual gearbox that i'd spend money on... like a BMW.




Heresy!!:nobmw:



Yeah, dirty evil words like 'budget', 'sunk costs', and 'logic' have a nasty habit of killing fun, ambitious projects like that. The XJS is such a good looking thing, it's a shame it couldn't be a bit more fun to drive. But I'm extremely jealous of you regardless of the handling and slush-box. A friend of mine had a black 6 cylinder convertible from '89. It was a great cruiser and entertaining car, but wallowed under punishment. I'll probably turn to the MX-5 if I get another manual car (first was an 86 Nissan 300z).


 

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