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E36 Widebody or C124 Widebody?

  • Use the 500E widebody kit on my E36 saloon

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Adapt the 500E widebody kit for my 320CE

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
Well Autohauz took payment and waited 24hrs to email and say they won't ship as my home address does not match the shipping address.

So order is cancelled as there is now no time left to wait on the parcel. Totally sucks. I'll get caps at home in a couple of months.
 
BTW Dave I got the Chip today. Very well packed- thankyou!

I think I'll have another go at the parts order using Amazon. 2 Day delivery will work fine. We are heading on a 6 hour drive to Key West on Saturday so I'll hold off ordering it until we are likely to be in. So if that works out I'll have the caps before we go home which will offer quite big savings over UK prices.

Speaking of savings- when our US friends are filling up please spare a thought for those of us who do not have access to dirt cheap fuel!! I can fill our rental SUV here for 25- 30USD. £17ish.

At home my 500E takes around £90 to fill up each time. (130USD!!) Crazy. Plus I normally fill it with Super Unleaded which is over £100 a fill :tumble:
 
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Ignition wires are a completely different subject and there's no easy answer. Most all the aftermarket wire sets are generic (to fit multiple models) and some of the wire lengths are a bit off. Clark was offering custom-made wire sets (he's located in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, btw) but I don't know if he has any left:
http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6441


I would recommend NOT buying the generic Bosch-branded wire sets, the type with light gray insulation and plastic orange plug boots... the gray insulation is very fragile and often tears just inserting into the plastic wire trays. The OE Beru wire is significantly more durable, IMO. Also, the ignition wires generally don't need replacement unless they are damaged, or are arcing (visible at night). They are solid-core, non-resistor wires and tend to last a very long time. The spark plug boots have resistors inside and these can be tested/measured to see if they are OK. The boots can be replaced individually IF they are OE/OEM with threaded connectors. Some cheaper aftermarket wire sets cannot have the boots un-threaded from either end.


EDIT: forgot to mention that I believe ignition wires tend to be over-replaced on the M119. The typical American cars with plug wires used carbon-core resistor wires which do tend to fail more often, and may need replacement every 50kmi or so. Since the MB OE wires are solid core, they can literally go 200kmi+ without a wire failure (might have a plug boot or two fail during that time, but not the wires). I think I've heard of one or two reports, total, of people who found the wire insulation failing which resulted in visible arcing at night. A few years ago I went on a binge replacement of my wires with custom-length, custom-built sets and found zero change in power, smoothness, or anything else. The most important outcome was a significantly lighter wallet.


:shocking: :spend:

And even perfect wires will often arc through when the plug end resistors are open circuit. Most "defective" wires are really only defective plug wire ends causing voltage spikes which lead to visible arcing. I've replaced a number of M119 plug wire ends over the years. I can't ever recall having to replace a wire for any reason other than physical damage such as from accidents, rodents, etc...
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I just went ahead and bought a pair of new Bosch caps & Rotor Arms. With the Dollar Rate taking a tumble I bought them in the UK instead. Got a great deal actually- the pair of caps & arms inc delivery was £171. New Bremi Ignition leads were ordered too a few days ago so that's the whole Ignition system replaced in one swoop. Hopefully the random cutting out will be gone after that.

Next week the Ignition parts will go in along with the 2 new Aux Fans (Trucktec Germany- they arrived a couple weeks back and are superb quality- Cable clamps etc on there too unlike some aftermarket fans).

Plus the E60 Springs need to go back in (They are now ready to collect post pro refurb) and the exhaust front section / cats needs to come off for painting / wrapping prior to the 500E going in for the stainless Brabus Clone Cat back exhaust to be made in a couple of weeks.

Plenty to keep me busy then when I get home

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Parts! The Ignition parts had got here when I was away :)


So I got new Bosch Caps & Rotors- all made in Spain. From recent posts on here I know MB currently supply Bosch made in Spain Caps etc so these are the only ones I would have fitted. I have already voiced my opinion on Bremi Caps which are rubbish from my experience. I checked and the caps on my 500E are Bremi and not in great condition inside so these were due.


Eating my own words now- but I got the new Bremi Igntion leads. I took a punt on these since they were only £110 ish for the complete set and were Made in Germany. Close inspection on what turned up reveals they are good quality cables. All of the connectors are high quality Brass with securing clips inside and the whole set looks identical to OEM quality. Both Coil Leads are included too so I guess I’ll be pulling the headlamp too.


New cap O Rings coming from MB tomorrow and some night this week I’ll replace the caps, rotors & leads. Along with removing the insulators for close inspection / cleaning

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Well I got the ignition system replaced but it wasn't plain sailing! Someone had already kindly rounded the small Alan bolts holding on the LH rotor arm. Bolt extractors couldn't get enough grip so I drilled the centre of the old rotor out using a right angled drill adaptor so I could get a 5mm Alan key through to undo the bracket bolt. Then with the assembly out I cut the bolts which were holding the remains of the old rotor on.


The insulators were in top condition so with the new Bosch parts fitted the car purrs! Silky smooth idle and it catches / fires up faster than before too when the starter is turned. The new ignition leads were a pain to route around the m119's cable tracks correctly but I got there in the end.


I was able to renew both King HT leads without taking the headlamp out. There was just enough room to struggle with popping the covers off the coils and swapping the leads.


I'm kind of getting used to having zero access at anything when working in & around the 500E! Who needs skin on their knuckles anyway?? :-)

 
Well I got the ignition system replaced but it wasn't plain sailing! Someone had already kindly rounded the small Alan bolts holding on the LH rotor arm. Bolt extractors couldn't get enough grip so I drilled the centre of the old rotor out using a right angled drill adaptor so I could get a 5mm Alan key through to undo the bracket bolt. Then with the assembly out I cut the bolts which were holding the remains of the old rotor on.


The insulators were in top condition so with the new Bosch parts fitted the car purrs! Silky smooth idle and it catches / fires up faster than before too when the starter is turned. The new ignition leads were a pain to route around the m119's cable tracks correctly but I got there in the end.


I was able to renew both King HT leads without taking the headlamp out. There was just enough room to struggle with popping the covers off the coils and swapping the leads.


I'm kind of getting used to having zero access at anything when working in & around the 500E! Who needs skin on their knuckles anyway?? :-)


Glad to hear things are progressing well pal. What is next on your list?
 
Glad to hear things are progressing well pal. What is next on your list?

Hi Bill,


I do have a long list of jobs in my head! Here’s what’s next-


ASR Defeat Install (I’m working on that today actually)
Refit refurbed E60 Springs and level car out with new different bump pads this time around
Remove exhaust system- cut off rusty head shields – VHT Spray and wrap in Titanium heat wrap
Car is going into shop in 2 weeks for Pro custom stainless Brabus replica Stainless Cat back install


After that I’ll continue the rolling resto work – new reservoirs etc etc.


Bigger jobs include-


Correct E500 headlamps
Colour coded ‘S600’ grill insert
New rear windscreen (Delaminating)
Have roof re-sprayed this Autumn (It has blemishes in the paint)
Renew all suspension arms / bushes / flex discs etc – full restoration underneath.
All new MB timing chain / guides / tensioner / gaskets.


Planned future upgrades- in the order they are likely to happen

Hel Stainless Carbon Brake lines
18 OZ Futura rims with 10 inch rears - with Hankook tyres
LSD- Quaife Kit
SA or other big brake upgrade. (I would love the S600 / AMG 8 pots)
125 shot of NOS


So yeah- way too much work planned :doh: – plus this has to run alongside my E36 build which will pick up again soon :)


Is your car all packed away currently?
 
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Tonnes planned it seems! Lots of resource on this website to get a majority of that done. Still in London at the moment so have been driving the beasty non stop recently. I replaced my caps/arms with MB parts and she has been purring beautifully since. Just gave her an oil change and she is running perfect - I am going to try the GTX Magentic oil next time, I currently use Shell Helix. I have one of the E500 headlight lenses if you're interested? It is for LHD market though but a spare i'd be willing to move on. I too have the ASR defeat kit sitting around and hope to rebuild my entire suspension in a similar vein to you. I just picked up both 400E and 500E H&R kits so with the right Bilstein B8s and the correct spring bumps I will be happy with the suspension.

My steering box recently died so a member off here in the US is sending me the one out of his 53k mile 500E - that will be replaced week after next. I will then be off to Dubai hopefully so will park her away for a while.
 
Tonnes planned it seems! Lots of resource on this website to get a majority of that done. Still in London at the moment so have been driving the beasty non stop recently. I replaced my caps/arms with MB parts and she has been purring beautifully since. Just gave her an oil change and she is running perfect - I am going to try the GTX Magentic oil next time, I currently use Shell Helix. I have one of the E500 headlight lenses if you're interested? It is for LHD market though but a spare i'd be willing to move on. I too have the ASR defeat kit sitting around and hope to rebuild my entire suspension in a similar vein to you. I just picked up both 400E and 500E H&R kits so with the right Bilstein B8s and the correct spring bumps I will be happy with the suspension.

My steering box recently died so a member off here in the US is sending me the one out of his 53k mile 500E - that will be replaced week after next. I will then be off to Dubai hopefully so will park her away for a while.

Yes this site is great- it’s giving me too many ideas of what I can upgrade / restore next


Thanks for the offer on the E500 headlamp lense- problem is my entire headlamps are incorrect. The E500 ones have the chrome inners – mine don’t. So I will buy a pair of new MB RHD suited E500 lamps soon.


Yes I used Shell Helix this time around but would also consider Magnatec since it’s more readily available here. I had to mail order the Shell Helix from OPIE Oils in England.


As for the suspension renewal- if you haven’t seen it already you should check out the E36 build I have-

E36 AMG project


It’s a lengthy thread for sure but all is detailed in there on the suspension work. I kid you not- every single nut & bolt under that car is brand new. Using OE quality parts like Lemforder it cost alot less than you think & once that’s done it’s like having a new w124!


I will do the exact same to the 500E but I have both my garages stuffed at the minute. I am planning an extension to my double garage to include a 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] bay and proper 2 post lift. This will be where the 500E (And other w124 builds I have planned) will be restored. But this will have to wait to next year to get the bay & lift installed etc. I am fed up crawling around a cold concrete floor!
 
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So when continuing with the ASR defeat install I had a chance to take a look for the cause of the power drain :detective:


Remember this still affects the car- I have by-passed the problem with a relay but in any case I would like to find the root of the problem & repair it then remove the relay.


With the ECU’s out and the wiring exposed- all looks great. All wires have good insulation and no problems at all. I have always suspected the Diagnostic Socket since it had corrosion on it when I first opened up the ECU case and I did try to clean some of that off with contact cleaner and a nylon brush.



Outrbrinks kindly provided the attached document from his car’s history which made very interesting reading for me. It clearly outlines how the Diag Socket on that car was once faulty and caused exact systems of my car. New Pins & A new Diag Socket casing cured that car.

Since I have swapped out the Base modules & LH Module for good spares and the problem remained unchanged- they are ruled out. New MB upper & lower harnesses rule out Eco Junk being the reason.



On my car when reading fault codes the Dia socket can do funky things like power up the Aux fans sometimes when I plug the blink reader into certain spots. So it seems the Diagnostic Socket on my car is now top of the suspect list. Check out the pics attached- corrosion is evident on the plug- particularly the underside. It also looks like it ‘wicks’ between wires.


I already tried to order the pins & diag plug from Genuine Autoparts but they said it was NLA. (Genuine Autoparts has been wrong before – they told me the intake hoses were also NLA causing shockwaves across forums:))


So I will try to order them from my dealer tomorrow and see what happens. Fingers crossed I can renew the plug & pins. Otherwise a cunning plan to clean them up will be plan B.
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I got the ASR Defeat install completed today - I mostly followed 2 phasts instructions which were spot on. I used the fader location and kept that plug complete in under the console. As 2phast did, I hooked into the Earth + power there. (& in my case- also the dash illumination wire there too) All DIY’s point to bringing the cables out through the bulkhead then either drilling or cutting a hole in a rubber hose & bringing the harness into the ECU case.

But I found a much easier & better solution- that same hose that some DIY’s cut into to route the cable actually terminates inside the passenger footwell – pic shows the cable going in there - Highlighted with a red circle. So I simply snaked the loom up through it and it popped out inside the ECU case. All wires are wrapped in Tesa cloth loom tape and tucked behind the dash trim.

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My install has the ASR off switch illuminating with the dash at night as normal.

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And any time the switch is pressed it lights up bright RED (Extra LED added inside)

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For some reason my camera can’t pick up the red colour properly but it’s a Red LED when switch de-pressed.

I also went ahead and installed the Performance chipped ECU, I have decided to not put the car through a Dyno for fear of damaging something. Besides the Cat Back exhaust & performance chip gains will be minimal if any at all so I’ll just wait until such times as bigger HP mods come along such as the NOS.

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Well it’s been a busy few days! A SLS leak sprung from not 1 but 2 of the SLS return lines in the engine compartment, 2 new hoses fitted and that’s taken care of - now leak free.

The E60 Springs are re-fitted- 3 bump pads up front this time hopefully it will sit closer to level after that. The springs are like new again – thankfully it was only surface rust they are defect free & gleaming now.

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For the exhaust system I decided to renew the O2 sensor since they don’t last forever and it looked original. New 0 258 003 429 Bosch Sensor on it’s way.

The entire exhaust was removed and the old loose rusty heat shields cut off. The cat’s and pipes were cleaned back to bare metal again before painting with high quality German VHT paint & the front pipes wrapped in Titanium heat wrap. All new mounts and gaskets are on hand for re-install when the new O2 sensor gets here.

Question – just how loud are 500E’s with only the front cat’s fitted on the exhaust?

The reason I ask is it seems pointless mounting the original resonator and back box back on since the car will be going in for the custom cat back system in a few days. The garage it’s going to is about 30 miles away from my house. Will I get there without being arrested?? :jono:
 
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With stock catalysts, it isn't very loud, but it will be a little boomy in the cabin. Fire it up and see what you think!

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Thanks Dave I’m itching to start it up- Ill get it running when the o2 sensor arrives supposed to be next Tuesday.


Then I’ll see what it’s like. If it’s half reasonable at all I’ll run with it :gsxracer:


The E36 build is just sporting downpipes currently (No cat’s even)- it’s soooo damn loud when started up I think it could be heard idling about at least a mile away!
 
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So an update on post #362 above

I was able to order that Diag plug part number 140 545 00 26 from a MB dealer near me. Genuine Autoparts told me they were NLA- clearly that was incorrect. The MB dealer confirmed stock in Germany. Should have it by next weekend. I will carefully label each wire in the diagnostic plug then pull them all and give the pins a thorough clean with electrical contact cleaner prior to putting them all back into the new housing.

I figured new pins were a bit pointless and might do more harm than good to the wiring by heating them up for soldering and melting some more of the original sheathing on the diag plug wires. (Since heat is what rapidly degrades the Eco Junk wiring)

I’ll try bypassing the relay fitted and test the power draw again once the new Diag plug housing is fitted- I’ll report back the findings on that. Fingers crossed the LH ECU stays shut down this time around – I see nothing else wrong with any of the wiring at all.
 
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Tonight I got the car back onto it’s wheels and out for a drive – so much better! Those 3 bump pads up front made all the difference – that coupled with some fine adjustment to the SLS lever has the car sitting nice & level.


This was how the car always sat – (too low at the front)

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And now – pretty much spot on

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Thanks 8899– I appreciate that! :)

It looks like I’ll be driving the 500E in daily use for a few days now. My uber reliable 2007 E220CDI put on all the warning lamps today in spectacular fashion. Battery is good and I swapped it out too – but no difference. (It gives the red Battery low symbol on ash along with everything else) In some sort of weird limp mode too – I won’t bore you with that too much but...-

The car has pretty much cut everything off- the ONLY things that function now are-

Brake Lamps
Headlamps come on by themselves even if the switch is off
Wipers
Aux Fan inside
Engine.
Cooling fan runs mad fast all the time and the temp display is pegged at 85c outside. I wish- it’s about 12c in our Irish summer! Plus the fuel gauge and odometer are blank.

Pretty much everything else has totally stopped working. It’s like the car is in some sort of limp mode and the SAM module has cut everything off.

Bloody modern cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :doh:

Sigh.... I have a feeling it’s not going to be an easy fix. But I ain’t going to the dealer’s – I’ll figure it out should it be the death of me.... or the w211 maybe.

Good job I got the 500E back in service last night, long live the w124!
 
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. My uber reliable 2007 E220CDI put on all the warning lamps today in spectacular fashion. Battery is good and I swapped it out too – but no difference. (It gives the red Battery low symbol on ash along with everything else) In some sort of weird limp mode too – I won’t bore you with that too much but...-


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can almost say for certain it is the generator gone bad.Ive seen some examples also about the data wire to the generator wearing,and breaking.
But usually when the facelifted cars have this red battery symbol..it is either battery, or generator.OR the "extra"battery.under the right hand side of the windshield.Or on the rear right hand side in the back.

You should get it diagnosed :)
 
can almost say for certain it is the generator gone bad.Ive seen some examples also about the data wire to the generator wearing,and breaking.
But usually when the facelifted cars have this red battery symbol..it is either battery, or generator.OR the "extra"battery.under the right hand side of the windshield.Or on the rear right hand side in the back.

You should get it diagnosed :)

Thanks Lowman for the input I appreciate it. Yes I've been doing lots of reading up and it seems replacing the alternator regulator would be a wise move. It's cheap as chips and can be replaced in situ so I'll order a Bosch one up. Certainly can't hurt anything.

Unfortunately they only place has Star around here is the main dealers - or at least that's all I know has it anyway. So I'll try the regulator first then go from there. The original battery is on a CTEK charger now on AGM condition mode- it works wonders. I'll put that battery back in tomorrow.

The car is charging at 14.0volts but that's not to say that the regulator isn't the culprit. I guess it might not be feeding the data back to the car \ throwing a false no charge fault

Its a facelift w211 so it has no auxilary batt. That threw me off too! In the meantime ill enjoy putting some miles on the 500E :-)
 
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HEY again
If it's charging ,then i would go ahead and check the small extra battery in the car ,this can make the battery light come on &#55357;&#56842;
 
HEY again
If it's charging ,then i would go ahead and check the small extra battery in the car ,this can make the battery light come on &#55357;&#56842;

Hi Lowman,


This still has me beat! I checked the car and there is no secondary battery on the facelift w211.


I read about that online & pulled the cover in the engine bay but nada. On googling it seems the facelift models only have the one main battery


Vin of the car is WDB2110082B163932


I’m going to check with my dealer on the part number – I think this is the correct regulator
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F00M14413...R-ROTATING-ELECTRICS-NEW-IN-BOX-/381234395567

My local alternator repair shop is closed until Monday. I can have this new regulator here tomorrow & fit it to the car.


Hopefully that cures it. I did charge the other battery overnight and put it in this morning – red light on right away again. So it seems the car is getting a False ‘No Charge’ signal for sure. It reads very close to a steady 14.000 Volt or there about when running so it’s charging OK. (+ - 010v)


Strange for sure
 
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You wrote that your cooling fans run on full power right? That happens if there is a data bus issue and indeed is a safety function in case the engine control unit misses input. Get a star diagnosis hooked up and see what's going on! For sure nothing to do at all with the alternator. Could be an issue with one of the Sam control modules or something else... Also check for water intrusion under the front flor carpets (but the facelift 211 should not face this since there have been some changes to the drainage).
 
You wrote that your cooling fans run on full power right? That happens if there is a data bus issue and indeed is a safety function in case the engine control unit misses input. Get a star diagnosis hooked up and see what's going on! For sure nothing to do at all with the alternator. Could be an issue with one of the Sam control modules or something else... Also check for water intrusion under the front flor carpets (but the facelift 211 should not face this since there have been some changes to the drainage).

Yes the cooling fans run riot all the time whilst the engine is running – cold or warm.


OK- I’ll see if I can find a specialist who can get the car on Star tomorrow maybe. I know that’s what need’s done really to avoid spending money in the wrong places.


Funny thing is it logs zero codes on my OB2 code reader....... strange too. But yes Star will be able to read everything in the car so a diagnosis is important so I’ll get it on Star as soon as I can
 
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It is not necessary to show faults (in most of cases it will) but there are cases where you will see no faults but some complete systems (control units) just dissappear without other systems claiming anything. But I think in your case something should be shown.
 
Thanks Rouven! Ok, I've phoned a few places and just get (high)hourly rates for Star code reading - plus none are open on a Saturday. With work commitments I cannot bring the car to them during weekdays.


So I decided to stump up for a full good used Star setup myself - all will be here early next week. Not too bad at £500 inc laptop , cables etc and carry case. (The real deal not Chinese copy)

I think this will be very useful for me to have anyway since I have 4 Benzes and do all my own work. I always meant to buy it before now just never got around to it. It's a plug and play setup complete with a Dell laptop etc / all cables. Hopefully I can figure out how to get it going. The seller offers full 24hr customer support etc so I should be OK.

Or if I get stuck maybe you guys won't mind me asking a couple of questions on how to use Star!!

Besides I can use it on the 500E too - not sure how much more info I can get from a w124 with Star but it has to be better than just blink reading codes. Maybe it'll get me further on the 500E power draw issue when I get back to that.
 
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I invested in such equipment long time ago... Its a great help. As a hint, factory given time for a short test by star diagnosis is 0.4hrs only. Of course no further diagnosis but at least to get an idea...
 
you are right..i was abit quick in my statement.
The facelift does not have the secondary battery
I think you may have more than one fault here,
But like mentioned..you should get a diagnostic reading..
But its quite often the generators wear out on these..or actually not wear out..its like i said the data connector inside the generator that goes.

But the fans running indicate the car is in limp mode..

The Sam module rarely goes on these cars,though it does happen.
cheers
 
you are right..i was abit quick in my statement.
The facelift does not have the secondary battery
I think you may have more than one fault here,
But like mentioned..you should get a diagnostic reading..
But its quite often the generators wear out on these..or actually not wear out..its like i said the data connector inside the generator that goes.

But the fans running indicate the car is in limp mode..

The Sam module rarely goes on these cars,though it does happen.
cheers

Yes that sounds like it could be the VR too for sure, I'll wait until the Star gets here and see if I can get proper codes from the car. Hopefully all will become clear. If it points to the Alternator then I'll remove the whole unit & have it bench tested / rebuilt by a local specialist. Should sort whatever's going on with it in one go.


If it points to a module of some sort there are plently of W211 E220CDI's being parted out near me so I should be able to get what I need from those - pretty cheap too. It's just knowing what the problem is in the first place that's the biggest problem with these modern CAN Bus nightmares! :doh:


This is the kit I bought (It'll not be here until middle of next week)

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I have a number of jobs lined up for it already on my cars (besides trying to get codes from the E220) so i'm looking forward to getting to grips with it
 
There is nothing difficult dealing with CanBus cars i think.Its a very easy system..and when you know how it works...its a genius system to work on.

At least i think so.
But yeah..get the codes read..and that will help you alot on what to look for.

When it comes to testing these generators...i dont think many "workshops" can do this...it depends abit..but i know that MY local electric workshop could NOT test this type of generator ...just because of the fact that the data connector is not your ordinary D+ or "charging lamp" connection..so it may be difficult to "activate" the generator if the shop does NOT have this special equipment..

but hope you get it sorted.and would be nice to get some info as you go along :)i would provide the info that i know of to help out if needed


cheers
Stefan
 
BATTERY DRAIN CONCLUSION

Well this is a pretty exciting update for me! Finally got to the root of the Battery drain problems this car has had from when I bought it. It was the Diagnostic Plug! The pins inside were corroded and shorting out. The symptoms of this were-



  • Random Fuel pumps firing up all by themselves with the car sitting parked.
  • Fuel pumps primed every time the battery terminals were hooked on.
  • The car did not always prime the fuel pumps when the ignition key was turned on.
  • Minimum 1.48 Amp parasitic draw = Heavy Duty battery flat by morning.


LH Module was staying alive / being triggered when it shouldn’t be is what was happening. I found the corresponding black arc patches on 2 of the pins which confirmed what was going on for sure. I have the new plug housing but have also ordered 9 of the pins now since the originals were beyond cleaning up - which I only discovered when the plug was taken apart today. For now the wires are taped up until the new pins get here & I can re-assemble the plug.


I intend to do a DIY on here on Diag plug replacement next weekend – pics etc will be included on that. I suspect this may become a more common problem as E500E's age and the plugs begin to corrode inside.

Very happy to have found that finally- the Relay which got me by has now been removed. All of the symptoms outlined above are 100% gone now :nobmw:



Big thanks to Oscar for sending me the old fault report from his car it put me on the right tracks – much faster than I would have track it down to that plug on my own
 
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Well I got Star and figured out how to work it but the w211 doesn’t let me get too far into it’s systems. Gives CAN errors etc. More info on this Banzworld thread-
Facelift W211 All warning lights on – electrics disabled

Getting no where fast so ordering a new VR today to pick up tomorrow and collecting a used SAM module to swap out. BCM in boot already replaced. All the wiring is clean and dry – as are the footwells (Common problem on w211’s) I also cleaned the battery wire connections in the boot to no avail either. However there IS signs of water ingress in the boot so not sure if that has anything to do with it.


So the 500E is still getting daily use and it’s running sweet! Totally different car to when I bought it – it’s a well sorted machine now. All electrics work, engine is smooth and full of power and it’s E60 suspension is just like modern Avantgarde benzes now after the new spheres and level adjustments. There was a squeak from the front of the engine –like a dry idler bearing – with driving the car this past week or so that has disappeared too.


For sure these car’s should be driven a little – I have a habit of cosseting them in the garage but getting some miles on them does the world of good.
 
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Hi all, I have got the 500E back into the garage & after a bubble bath and wax it’s clear it did not pick up any parking dings after having to push it into daily service this past week. I must say the car drives beautifully now it is a totally different car to when I first drove it home from England. Everything works in it and it’s a pleasure to drive – I realise I spend too much time working at my cars. Putting some miles on them is what it’s all about.

On the w211 front I believe it is the Central Gateway module at fault. A replacement is coming this week- for now I am driving the w211 as is.
I got my own Star setup & running :gsxrock:

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With the new O2 sensor fitted I need to re-set the adaption values. See the screenshots below- I am not sure if I did it correctly. I picked (Option 1) then YES to perform resetting which seemed ok.

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But there is a second option ‘2’ Perform Self Adjustment. Opening that dialog shows this screen-

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I have driven the car post adaption reset- do I need to hit enter now on the dialog above?
 
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it is not necesary
And its not necesary doing it after a O2 sensor change either..as the ecu will reset itself after some time anyways.
At least..when i was working at the Benz dealer...the chief told me not to try do to it..just in case there would be any problems with throttle body or so..so i did not bother..as i did not know all about what the self adjustment meant..and what it would actually DO...Though i can now say that i do not have a problem with my throttle body..so but..anyways..i did not dare to do a reset and self adjusting. :)

But maybe someone can chime in with some more info :)


central gateway module faulty??wow..never experienced that actually.
Gonna be nice to see if it solves the problem...?..i hope you sort it out :)
 
Thanks for the info Lowman- I did see threads on here which indicate the adaption should be reset when the 02 sensor is replaced. But yes it should re-learn on its own, given time.

But Mike K (HFM Scan) also told me based on the data I sent him a few weeks back I should reset the adaption values. This was before the o2 sensor was replaced.

Maybe on Tuesday evening I'll hook Star up again & see what the second option does when selected. I'll also record more data with LH scan for Mike & see what he thinks.

For the w211 the Benz world thread is up to date although it seems no one really has experienced what my car is doing. Either the Central Gateway is FUBAR'd as I suspect or it's not getting power. At £15 for a used one including shipping it's worth swapping out. I have already rebuilt the alternator and test fitted a replacement main SAM unit to no avail. Tonight the alarm on it also went ape shit so I jacked it up wearing ear defenders and unplugged the alarm. Bloody modern cars- hate them. If I could afford the 500E's thirst I would shift the w211 on. But oil burning is cheap travel!
 
no problem at all matey :)

you are totally right " it should" be done..but it is not critical if you dont do the adaption.
Ive done the same on my car...done the o2 sensor replacement....measured the emissions..and everything is SPOT on..all values are spot on.
And it DOES reset the values itself after some driving.
But the reason number one for me NOT wanting to do it..was like i said...i was unsure on "what it would actually do...if the throttle body thing was involved..and i did not want to mess with that if it was not dead nessecary.

If i can remember correctly...i think the Central Gateway module..has to be coded..i cant remember correctly..but i think that is the case..and i dont think your car will start with another one mounted...i may be wrong..but..hopefully you will have it sorted.

would love to have a look on it with a star diagnostic available..but i guess i cant because of the distance
But good you have checked the generator and the Sam...

cheers..looking forward hearing more about both 500e and 211 :)
 
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Yes that's correct I have been told it will require coding for it to work. That part my be the hardest part but the star I have does include offline coding- so long as I can figure it out in the first instance!


However I conducted an interesting "OK- Redneck!" test on the w211. I removed the Central Gateway and started the car up / took it for a drive. Everything was exactly the same as before! So it does appear to be doing nothing. Also the one fitted has paint markings like from a wrecking yard so it's had a used unit fitted before. The mileage being blank got me thinking so when I googled what holds the mileage info it is the Central Gateway. Then I remembered Star had it at the top of a fault list on the car's data. So yeah- it seems to be that module alright- here's hoping.


I am hopeful that if the car it came from has similar options fitted it will work right away. But otherwise I'll have to get to the coding.


Yes I'll keep the updates coming hopefully better news on the w211 this week. I also awakened my restored 300E 24 today. Pic attached of that car- I bought it as my second w124 when I was 17. Then spent endless hours / years rebuilding it. It's now simply too clean to leave the garage- not what I set out to do but hey it brings me enjoyment even it it stays in the garage.


It's going to go in beside the 500E this week (So the E36 can have the messy bodywork done this Autumn in a another garage of its own)


I'll get pics of those 2 cars side by side later this week- Interesting comparisons they are quite different cars! RHD vs LHD, pre facelift vs Facelift etc.
 

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Thanks Lowman! Truth to be told she sat in my front garage for maybe 6 months there without me getting a chance to look at it or even open the door. So today it got taken out, washed & a freshly charged battery put in. This car had the full hog- engine rebuilt, and a full pro respray in the original Almandine Red metallic. I did the paint prep it's got 2 new front wings and a rear arch welded in. Plus basically new everything else :-)

It took about 5 years to complete so it's my baby. If it got in a wreck I would be devastated but maybe next year I'll venture out in it again- it's been too long. Sitting around ain't doing it any good either I guess.
 

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With the new O2 sensor fitted I need to re-set the adaption values. See the screenshots below- I am not sure if I did it correctly. I picked (Option 1) then YES to perform resetting which seemed ok. .... But there is a second option ‘2’ Perform Self Adjustment. ...

I have driven the car post adaption reset- do I need to hit enter now on the dialog above?

After you re-set adaptation (which is recommended), just drive the car normally. It will adapt over the next 5-10 trips (preferably from a cold start to fully warmed up).

Manually performing adjustment is a PITA and requires having the SDS connected while driving the car, and you need to provide a certain load at a certain RPM for about 5 seconds each upper/lower, then let it idle. I've done this multiple times and although it gives a rough adaptation, I've found that EVERY time the car will end up adapting away several percent from whatever the 'manual' results were. In general, I would not bother with the manual adaptation procedure unless you had a very specific reason to do so.

After replacing the O2 sensor, MAF, or any other item which can affect mixture... resetting is definitely recommended. Otherwise it may take a long time for the computer to re-adapt to the new/correct settings. Note this is primarily an issue on LH systems. The newer ME systems (1996-up M119 in W210/W140/R129) change adaptation far more rapidly. The ME systems will also re-set to zero every time the battery is disconnected. The early LH systems (1992 / WOT enrichment) do not reset with the battery disconnected, but the late LH modules (016-prefix, some 015-prefix) will reset to 1.0004 if the battery is disconnected.

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Thanks for the info Dave! Yes it’s reset now so I’ll let the car adjust itself as I put more miles on it instead of that full procedure thing.
 
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FWIW guys I attach a printout I got from DAS tonight from my W211 that crapped the bed recently. (More info in my posts above) It’s hard to get time to work at the w211 at all lately but tonight I made some progress in figuring out how to Code the Central Gateway Module myself using DAS. I have a replacement used CGW coming in the post so when it arrives any day soon I will install it then code it myself to match the original unit with Star. The Coding bit worried me so I'm glad I figured that out at least.

I have already test fitted a replacement main SAM Module, Battery Control Module, rebuilt the Alternator & swapped in 2 other good Batteries to test – all no good at all.

I am unsure if renewing the CGW will actually cure the faults – but it’s top of my suspect list currently.

Anyway- I know some of you guys might work at dealerships etc so maybe the DAS printout attached will be of some interest to you – I’m all ears for opinions.

Sorry for the non 124.036 information in this post I am waiting on something special coming for the 500E which if it turns up will be pretty sweet......... but in the meantime the w211 is kicking my ass :doh:
 

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Ok, I may as well elaborate on what’s coming for the 500E in a few weeks- :jono:



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The order will take 6 weeks to be fabricated & shipped to me from Fox Germany. I ordered it 2 weeks ago & so far they haven’t cancelled the order – this is good. It should be max 4 weeks out. It seems Fox are the only company left making off the shelf stainless cat back exhausts for E500E’s still.
Hopefully a quality item turns up I'll wait & see. If it's like the pics then it'll be awesome :gsxrock:


IF & when it turns up I will post plenty of details & Pics of it in a new thread on here.
 

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To me it looks like the interior CAN is not working. CGW is answering properly what doesn't say anything about the functionality yet. The CGW switches over the communication from the different data buses since they work on different speeds plus it's the main access for the diagnosis.
I would suggest to try the following: access your interior CAN potential distributors, they are three in total plus one included on the rear SAM (if I remember correctly) the wires are easy to identify: 0.75mm2 brown and brown/red. The potential distributors are located in the cable channels in the area of the lower a pillar/floor pan. You must remove the entrance sill and lower a pillar covers, open the plastic channel and search for the cables. They all hook up to a socket bracket. The third supposed to be under the passenger side dash. Remove that cover and have a look, should be clipped in next to the heater blower motor. Dismantle the security lock (slides side ways out when u latching the small leavers) then do this: start the car and then pull off one of the individual CAN connector sockets on the potential distributor. See what or if something is changing in the cars behaviour. If nothing changes, plug the socket back in and pull the next until you went through all or suddenly the fault is gone or at least some of the symptoms dissappear. Then delete all fault codes (the specific single connector still off). Run another short test and see which control unit is missing. Other units will claim that they can't communicate with cu x for example. Then search for that unit and replace it. That's another step I suggest before you start replacing anything.
 
The self adaptation is to be reseted as Dave said earlier when items like o2 sensor, air mass meter or alterations in the "flow" has been done. The self adaptation will re-adjust the fuel mapping (AFR ratio) within the tolerance limits given in the control unit. A old/damaged o2 sensor can be slower or the switch point deviates what leads the control unit to learn wrong over time. Same with a air mass sensor.
 
To me it looks like the interior CAN is not working. CGW is answering properly what doesn't say anything about the functionality yet. The CGW switches over the communication from the different data buses since they work on different speeds plus it's the main access for the diagnosis.
I would suggest to try the following: access your interior CAN potential distributors, they are three in total plus one included on the rear SAM (if I remember correctly) the wires are easy to identify: 0.75mm2 brown and brown/red. The potential distributors are located in the cable channels in the area of the lower a pillar/floor pan. You must remove the entrance sill and lower a pillar covers, open the plastic channel and search for the cables. They all hook up to a socket bracket. The third supposed to be under the passenger side dash. Remove that cover and have a look, should be clipped in next to the heater blower motor. Dismantle the security lock (slides side ways out when u latching the small leavers) then do this: start the car and then pull off one of the individual CAN connector sockets on the potential distributor. See what or if something is changing in the cars behaviour. If nothing changes, plug the socket back in and pull the next until you went through all or suddenly the fault is gone or at least some of the symptoms dissappear. Then delete all fault codes (the specific single connector still off). Run another short test and see which control unit is missing. Other units will claim that they can't communicate with cu x for example. Then search for that unit and replace it. That's another step I suggest before you start replacing anything.


Hi Rouven, Thanks for the input on the w211 – I really appreciate it.

Well I had the replacement CGW coming anyway & at £15 it was worth a shot. I fitted & coded it to the car- nothing changed. Original CDW now back in since it holds the accurate mileage for my car and the other will be kept as a spare with the car.

The same 2 fault codes appear in ‘System Diagnosis’ –
9313 Interior CAN Bus- Short Circuit in CAN Lines/ CAN bus low short
9311 Interior CAN Bus- CAN bus High Short circuit to POS

So yes I am now resigned to the fact that there is indeed a wiring fault somewhere in the interior CAN system. Tomorrow I will set aside a minimum of 4 hours to start exposing the CAN connectors and see if cleaning contacts etc makes any difference at all.

And as per your suggestion I will remove & remake connections and monitor the car’s behaviour. But the thing is – since the fault means most items do not communicate at all maybe the behaviour will not notably change- but I’ll see tomorrow. Or do you mean that if a single module were faulty & shorting out it could take down the whole CAN network when hooked up? I guess that makes sense too.

Whatever happened to good old fuses & copper wires eh? I know – tech moves on..... cost cutting etc but what a PITA when something goes wrong

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It happened more than once that a faulty unit screws up the data by shorting it or messing with the signals. As said this is the first step of the diagnose I would take. And I had more than once a case where this identified the culprit.
It's quite sure you don't have only a wiring issue.
 
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Well following Rouven’s advice I think I made some progress today on the w211 :)


First off I found the CAN ‘multiplug’ within the passenger cable trunking. Un hooking one connector at a time & or all at once there made no difference at all.
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Then I found another one located above the passenger footwell.

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I began unhooking these one by one – then when I unhooked the last one (On it’s own) the ASR / ABS system warning lamps extinguished and they work again just fine. Battery warning, no fuel guage & general cluster problems persist though. And the Xeon headlamps still come on constant even with the switch in position zero. But- the engine Fan no longer roars it head off either which is good. I’m sick of everyone asking “WTF is that?”


Anyway- this is the first breakthrough so far – it shows that whatever is at the other end of that CAN connector is suspect. I took a fresh set of codes from the car – PDF attached.
Two things have happened-



  • Most of the interior CAN is now working and more modules have appeared on the list.
  • The A1 Instrument Cluster is the source of all current fault codes.

So it appears what I have unplugged is in fact the A1 Instrument Cluster Control module. And as soon as it’s plugged back in the ASR / ABS lights come on, Engine Fan Roars & the Interior Can Bus drops out.


Most remaining symptoms are now directly related to the Instrument Cluster. And the Xeon Headlamps still coming on – but maybe this is as a result of a CAN error from module A1.


So next I will investigate the A1 Module and / or Cluster.


I also noted today that the rebuilt Alternator appears to be overcharging. Sitting at about 14.7 Volts. It’ll have to be pulled again. FML
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