What about this one Jeff https://www.500eboard.co/forums/index.php?threads/brabus-w210-6-5.11957/
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M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.
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"It was my understanding that only 13 of the special 100mm crankshafts were produced by Brabus and only 12 of those were used in engines; the 13th was sold separately and purchased by Talbir about 10 years ago, IIRC? Not sure if those numbers are accurate, or urban legend..."
When i was there last month, they told me they still had 1 crank left to build a 6.5 engine.
When i was there last month, they told me they still had 1 crank left to build a 6.5 engine.
There's gotta be a custom crankshaft mfr that could replicate a 500E crank in 100mm stroke for far less than Brabus would want for one. Of course building the rest of the engine would cost a small fortune.
I'm considering going this route at some point in the future if I can't source a 6.0 M119 when I'm ready to get silly. Bryant Racing notes Mercedes in their list of misc:
http://bryantracing.com/products/miscellaneous/
How precise is this fitting a crankshaft? Example. The 92,4 mm stroke. I reckon, me being a non-technician, this comes with a very accurately custom made crankshaft.
But Lotec had a 92,2 mm stroke. MKB comes even closer with a 92,5 mm stroke. Did Lotec and MKB had to make a completely newly designed and manufactured crankshaft? Or was just a slight little adjustment enough to make the 92,4 mm crankshaft fit?
But Lotec had a 92,2 mm stroke. MKB comes even closer with a 92,5 mm stroke. Did Lotec and MKB had to make a completely newly designed and manufactured crankshaft? Or was just a slight little adjustment enough to make the 92,4 mm crankshaft fit?
Thanks to this forum I feel it is my duty to not purchase or even inquire about the 6.0 on eBay
@weide1 I'm not sure I fully understand your question, but as far as altering the stroke of a crankshaft, within small margins the journals can be offset-ground which reduces the diameter of the journal and changes the centerline, effectively altering the stroke. The connecting rods would either need thicker bearings or to be completely different to compensate. If I'm not mistaken - and I really am not an expert on this topic - I think I've heard that that is exactly what AMG did with the 6.0 cranks (anyone feel free to correct me). I worked for a shop that had this being done on ALFA Busso V6 cranks in very custom race engines.
As for fitting a longer crank in the block itself, clearances to the block walls would always need to be checked and sometimes reliefs made in the block.
As for fitting a longer crank in the block itself, clearances to the block walls would always need to be checked and sometimes reliefs made in the block.
I remember talbir's M119 engine build very well. AFAIK, that motor never went on a dyno. The 525hp number was based on the amount of airflow the ported cylinder heads would support. All theory, never proven. The engine was built in SoCal and shipped to the UK, then Talbir went silent. I was really hoping it would make the claimed power, but he was reluctant to reveal any engine specs, and the little we did find out was not sounding realistic. This was documented on the old 500Ecstasy forum, IIRC... now DOA/MIA.
Picture attached of the 6.3 custom engine build.
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These guys have big expertise! They made a flat-plane-crankshaft for an LS7:
I was solidly into the plan and getting quotes from my suppliers for making an NA M119 of Doom.
By the time I was done, looked at the cost and time involved...and then looked at what AMG did with the M156... I opted to buy a few engines instead!
Jono
Nice find! I wonder what the bore & stroke was. 100x100 would be 6,283cc and allow safe cylinder wall thickness.
The Brabus 6.4L (badged E65) was 101 bore x 100 stroke; which IMO was pushing the limits of bore size.
Some early 500E's were available without catalysts as well. Very rare though. The non-catalyst .960 was rated at 245kw/333ps/329hp SAE.
Were AMG M119 engines, KE and LH and maybe even ME, availible without catalysts as well? Since the following is what the current owner tells and shows me.
This car. 1994 Mercedes-Benz SL60 AMG I´ve first archived images of this car in 2013.
This car. 1994 Mercedes-Benz SL60 AMG I´ve first archived images of this car in 2013.
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ME-based M119 engines would not have been available anywhere without catalysors.
Early LH, and KE-based M119 engines were available without catalytic converters. All E500Es (and I believe including W140s and R129s using LH and KE-based R129/M119s) imported into the US as US models, had catalytic converters by US law.
Early LH, and KE-based M119 engines were available without catalytic converters. All E500Es (and I believe including W140s and R129s using LH and KE-based R129/M119s) imported into the US as US models, had catalytic converters by US law.
It's possible AMG built some without catalysts, but I'm guessing they would be even more rare than non-AMG's without catalysts.
As Gerry said, I'm not aware of any ME-injected engines (119.98x) without cats. Might exist, but I've never seen documentation on it.
What M119 engine is someone claiming spins over 7000rpm?
As Gerry said, I'm not aware of any ME-injected engines (119.98x) without cats. Might exist, but I've never seen documentation on it.
What M119 engine is someone claiming spins over 7000rpm?
The one from the link in my previous post.
I found several R129 500 and 600 without cats here. Code 828. Sultan of Brunei's AMGs | W124 AMG & Tuner Cars
They´re all designated AMG. So the 600 without cat will have 450 PS and 610 Nm.
The 500 will `most likely` have a 6 liter without cat. Wonder how many PS and Nm it now will have.
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Where did you get this information? I assume it's a partial printscreen.
And i notice something else. On the third line i read NV.
Must be Niedrige Verdichtung. Lower compression ratio. Indeed i read 8.8.
And only a mere 5 kW less. This M104 has NV as well but 15 kW less than oridnary M104.941 C 36 AMG engines.
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M119 factory service manual! Here's the link to the full PDF:
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