MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

[Lioninstreet]

And yet, the saga continues...

I tried using some of that Dow Corning Molykote 44m on my w251's creaky second row console lid. It worked for about 5 minutes of driving...

This to give example that it ain't as easy as it sounds to replace the holy grail...

 

[IBNR]

I'm crushed that this thread just ends here...like a great mystery novel with the climactic final chapter ripped out....

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[QuintBenz]

Shin Etsu Silicone Grease is compatible ?

 

[Lioninstreet]

This thread ain't dead, just gatherin' cob webs.

Looks like QuintBenz wants a drink from the grail...

Turns out he was referring to the Honda marketed Shin Estu silicone grease Pn# 08798-9013. This is what's recommended in the Honda manuals as a regular 3-6 month maintenance for the rubber seals as protection against squeaks and leaks.

It is Shin-Etsu part number G-3W-0-M (now known as now G-30M). After reviewing the MSDS for it the result is...

Are you ready for it? Sounds promising, yes?

Nope, not the same product. MSDS shows the product is an Organopolysiloxane mixture.

The elusive Silikon Paste is Silicone oil with Lithium soap as a thickener.

BTW, I'm still open to cover the cost for someone over in Europe reading this to ship over two sample quantities of Calsil Grease 55 and Elkem Silicones Bluesil GRS 55, which per their MSDS appear to be the same contents.

Maybe we can still end this saga!

 

[mikeym]

BTW, I'm still open to cover the cost for someone over in Europe reading this to ship over two sample quantities of Calsil Grease 55 and Elkem Silicones Bluesil GRS 55, which per their MSDS appear to be the same contents.

Maybe we can still end this saga!

I am in London all next week. So, if there is a local supplier in the city, I can stop by and get these and do my part to help solve this mystery.
I looked at some online sites and they don't seem to have these products.

 

[Lioninstreet]

mikeym, I should have checked back in sooner so I could send you some coin. I found the suppliers in Europe but freight to London would be a pittance compared to what they are asking to send sample quantities stateside.

 

[mikeym]

mikeym, I should have checked back in sooner so I could send you some coin. I found the suppliers in Europe but freight to London would be a pittance compared to what they are asking to send sample quantities stateside.

Sorry, just saw this message. My coworkers often travel back and forth and may be something that I can ask them to bring.

 

[speedy300dturbo]

I've been using Shin-Etsu grease G30M for a couple of years now. It works very well on seals, window rails, and sunroof sliders. This is the OEM grease specified by Honda and Toyota for lubrication of sliding parts.

 

[JC220]

I've been using Shin-Etsu grease G30M for a couple of years now. It works very well on seals, window rails, and sunroof sliders. This is the OEM grease specified by Honda and Toyota for lubrication of sliding parts.

Thanks for that I have bought a tube for use on window sliders and seals (I have Gleitpaste for the sunroof)

 

[gsxr]

I've been using Shin-Etsu grease G30M for a couple of years now. It works very well on seals, window rails, and sunroof sliders. This is the OEM grease specified by Honda and Toyota for lubrication of sliding parts.

Aaron, do you use this in place of Gleitpaste, or do you use it on different items where MB specifies a lubricant other than Gleitpaste? Oh, and what seals do you use this on?

Found it on Amazon here:
https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Honda-08798-9013-Silicone-Grease/dp/B00GD49GTS

 

[speedy300dturbo]

Aaron, do you use this in place of Gleitpaste, or do you use it on different items where MB specifies a lubricant other than Gleitpaste? Oh, and what seals do you use this on?

It's my official go-to lubricant for all things that need greasing. Window channels, sunroof parts, door + hood latches, basically anything non-engine that needs grease. Shin-Etsu makes other greases suitable for engine components and seals, but I haven't tried those yet. I use the G30M (Honda OEM stuff) on the door seals of my BMW which have an inner rubber weatherstrip in addition to the door mounted seal. These tend to rub against each other and squeak. Not really an issue on the MB though.

 

[gerryvz]

The NAPA Syl-Glide silicon lube is also excellent stuff, and ideal for window regulators, hinges, and the like.

 

[JC220]

Does anyone know what MB PN A0009893660 is?

 

[gerryvz]

It's MB's "rubber lubricant" and is intended to alleviate squeaking and other friction-related noises on rubber seals. Applications could be sunroof-seals, Vario-roof seals on SLKs and SLs, and the like. It also helps keep rubber conditioned and flexible, though there are certainly other products for this that work well.

My problem with this lube is that it is expensive as I'll get out [$53 USD MSRP].



Cheers,
Gerry

 

[JC220]

It's MB's "rubber lubricant" and is intended to alleviate squeaking and other friction-related noises on rubber seals. Applications could be sunroof-seals, Vario-roof seals on SLKs and SLs, and the like. It also helps keep rubber conditioned and flexible, though there are certainly other products for this that work well.

My problem with this lube is that it is expensive as I'll get out [$53 USD MSRP].



Cheers,
Gerry

Thank you for that Gerry

Must.... Resist.... Temptation

 

[AMG5PT4]

Snagged this yesterday off eBay. Better be good shizz for that price.....

 

[gerryvz]

JFC that is expensive.

It is good stuff, but that is some big bucks for that.

 

[LWB250]

JFC that is expensive.

It is good stuff, but that is some big bucks for that.

Not sure what their situation is, but I just ran that part number and it’s readily available from any one of the online dealer parts portals for under $60.

https://www.mboemparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-silicone-paste-0009898451

I think I’m going to do what some other folks did and buy a tub of the stuff then resell it in smaller quantities. Gotta dig up some plastic 35mm film containers first....

Dan

 

[gsxr]

Guys – I have very troubling news. I attempted to order a bottle of the MB silicone Paste PN A0009898451 from my main dealer only to be told it is NLA

Is there a replacement MB grease for this?

See post #9, pasted above... it's NLA. Naperville and MB Portland have not updated their sites.

Husker accurately shows it as "Discontinued":
https://www.mbdirectparts.com/?p=catalog&mode=search&search_in=all&search_str=0009898451

 

[Jlaa]

Thinking out loud. I wonder if <readily available> 3M silicone paste is much the same thing.....

 

[gsxr]

Thinking out loud. I wonder if <readily available> 3M silicone paste is much the same thing.....

Post #6 (link) says no. That is actually dielectric grease... very different stuff.

Start reading at post #69 in this thread to follow the saga of locating an exact replacement... so far, no joy.

 

[lowman]

I do think Uncle Kent has a special formula for the Holy Grail on the way...

 

[LWB250]

See post #9, pasted above... it's NLA. Naperville and MB Portland have not updated their sites.

Husker accurately shows it as "Discontinued":
https://www.mbdirectparts.com/?p=catalog&mode=search&search_in=all&search_str=0009898451

That's what I get for looking at Naperville's site....

Dan

 

[LWB250]

I do think Uncle Kent has a special formula for the Holy Grail on the way...

But does it come in "mushroom"?



Dan

 

[gerryvz]

That's what I get for looking at Naperville's site....

Dan

Most of the Revolution Parts sites aren't well maintained or up to date on status of any particular part. Much better to go to the MB CLassic site, which is maintained and shows availability (or not). It's not foolproof, but is the best there is at this point in time. I think GSXR has that MB Classic Parts site on speed dial.

 

[LWB250]

Most of the Revolution Parts sites aren't well maintained or up to date on status of any particular part. Much better to go to the MB CLassic site, which is maintained and shows availability (or not). It's not foolproof, but is the best there is at this point in time. I think GSXR has that MB Classic Parts site on speed dial.

And you know, I do for nearly everything these days since I'm dealing with the '65 220SEb. The German classic site, as a matter of fact. I just didn't for this. Duh.

They used to sell the sunroof lube by the tub, too. I wonder if gsxr can come up with that number? I think I gave him a copy of the chemicals and lubricants catalog a while back...

Dan

 

[gerryvz]

And you know, I do for nearly everything these days since I'm dealing with the '65 220SEb. The German classic site, as a matter of fact. I just didn't for this. Duh.

They used to sell the sunroof lube by the tub, too. I wonder if gsxr can come up with that number? I think I gave him a copy of the chemicals and lubricants catalog a while back...

Dan

I bought a tub of "Gleitpaste" (aka "Da Gleit") about 6-7 years ago. I'd say I'm about 50% done with it. Enough so that I am considering adding a spare tub to my MB lubricants "deep stock".

BTW, I call my fluids cabinet in the garage shop my "989 storage". This is due to MB fluids/lubes having 989 in their part numbers.

It's a nice complement to the 589s.

 

[gsxr]

They used to sell the sunroof lube by the tub, too. I wonder if gsxr can come up with that number?

Sunroof lube (Gleitpaste) is still available, and AFAIK is only sold by the barrel, 001-989-46-51. $92 list, $68 discount. Some vendors sell smaller quantities. Spendy, but a lifetime supply for anything smaller than a Jono-fleet.

I really need to update that image, I'm not sure if Rusty / Bimby is still in bizness these days?

https://www.mboemparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-paste-0019894651

I think I gave him a copy of the chemicals and lubricants catalog a while back...

PDF attached for those brave enough to risk their bank accounts by looking at it. You've been warned.

 

[gerryvz]

I bet Al is wishing that his "shizz" Silikonpaste was only $68, LOL !! You get a lot more of Da Gleit for the $68 than you do the Silikonpaste.

 

[LWB250]

Sunroof lube (Gleitpaste) is still available, and AFAIK is only sold by the barrel, 001-989-46-51. $92 list, $68 discount. Some vendors sell smaller quantities. Spendy, but a lifetime supply for anything smaller than a Jono-fleet.

I really need to update that image, I'm not sure if Rusty / Bimby is still in bizness these days?

Nope. Working for WorldParts, long out of the retail business.

Dan

 

[gerryvz]

Is there a WorldPartsQ scheduled for this year?!?

 

[LWB250]

Is there a WorldPartsQ scheduled for this year?!?

Haven't been any Rusty related 'Qs in many years. I was one of the original attendees, and I can tell you, they were quite raucous.

However, there is an annual "Chowdah Q" in the Providence, RI area every September that is going on 10 or 12 years now, if not longer. I attend it almost every year. I can post details when the date is finalized for this year. A group of us have impromptu "Qs" when possible. I have tried to convince people to have a "Tampa Q" during the winter months, as it's a great time to get away to Florida. My community has a private park with covered picnic areas that would be perfect. I can never seem to get anyone interested....

Dan

 

[gerryvz]

Perhaps a “JonoQ” is in order

 

[mikeym]

Sunroof lube (Gleitpaste) is still available, and AFAIK is only sold by the barrel, 001-989-46-51. $92 list, $68 discount. Some vendors sell smaller quantities. Spendy, but a lifetime supply for anything smaller than a Jono-fleet.

https://www.mboemparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-paste-0019894651

Anyone especially in Seattle area willing to split this with me? Need to do R&R on the sunroof and only need a small quantity....

 

[gerryvz]

I’m sure our member locally to you “sgmotorsports” can help you out.

 

[Trae]

While rummaging around in the parts stash, ran into a small jar of Gleitpaste that I received from Gerry years ago.
This should do the job on my squeaky G500 door.

Should I use it for that purpose, OR ration it for sunroofs?

 

[gerryvz]

While rummaging around in the parts stash, ran into a small jar of Gleitpaste that I bought from Gerry years ago.
This should do the job on my squeaky G500 door.

Should I use it for that purpose, OR ration it for sunroofs?

One of the rites of passage and hallmarks of being a TRUE E500E "hoarder" is to have bought one's first full tub of MB Gleitpaste......

It should work fine for the squeaky door. I actually have used it for the lower hinge on my G320's rear door.

I know that the @gsxr and @nocfn highly recommend Uncle Kent's "synthetic grease," which you can purchase at this link:

High Grade Synthetic Grease - 2 oz Screw Lid Clear Container | Sealants / Adhesives / Lubricants Product | MercedesSource.com

mercedessource Product - Amazing lubricant - but you don't need a whole lot The newest generation of synthetic grease has some rather amazing properties that solve a number of problems when restoring and maintaining older cars. Kent decided to package it for you in a smaller and easier to use...

mercedessource.com

 

[Trae]

I have some of Uncle Kent's grease also. . ., so I may protect the Gleitpaste stash and use that instead.

 

[nocfn]

I have some of Uncle Kent's grease also. . ., so I may protect the Gleitpaste stash and use that instead.

Like the hot sauce commercial on tv, I put that * on everything. And yes the pocket door rollers. Cabinet drawers etc.

 

[gsxr]

Anyone know what special sauce is in the little tubbette?

 

[JC220]

When this thread was bumped today I had heart palpitations that maybe the holy grail silicone juju was available again

 

[gerryvz]

When this thread was bumped today I had heart palpitations that maybe the holy grail silicone juju was available again

I actually have an unopened jar of the MB NLA silikon-juju. I would be VERY happy to sell it to you.

€5.000—

 

[nocfn]

Reporting your sales to the franchise tax board.

 

[Kyiv]

Likely this was already a know fact, but Gleitpaste is, apparently, the same as:

POLYLUB GLY 151

The product series POLYLUB GLY 151, 501, 801 is based on a synthetic hydrocarbon oil, mineral oil and special lithium soap. It comprises three lubricating greases reducing friction and wear in plain bearings, slideways and small gears made of plastic.The lubrication of plastics is special in a...

www.klueber.com

1 kg is 180 euros:

Klüber POLYLUB GLY 151 Special synthetic lubricating grease 1kg - online purchase | Euro Industry

Klüber POLYLUB GLY 151 Special synthetic lubricating grease 1kg

euro-industry.com

 

[mikeym]

Likely this was already a know fact, but Gleitpaste is, apparently, the same as:

POLYLUB GLY 151

The product series POLYLUB GLY 151, 501, 801 is based on a synthetic hydrocarbon oil, mineral oil and special lithium soap. It comprises three lubricating greases reducing friction and wear in plain bearings, slideways and small gears made of plastic.The lubrication of plastics is special in a...

www.klueber.com

1 kg is 180 euros:

Klüber POLYLUB GLY 151 Special synthetic lubricating grease 1kg - online purchase | Euro Industry

Klüber POLYLUB GLY 151 Special synthetic lubricating grease 1kg

euro-industry.com

That's the first I have heard and not clear from the post, thought sounds pretty close. There is an existing thread where folks were trying to figure the secret sauce of Gleitpaste and it was inconclusive.

 

[sleezybeezy]

I had some spare BMW sun roof lubricant laying around. my MB Gleitpaste is in the trunk of another merc a few hours away in storage.

The packaging contains some actual ingredients - thoughts on this as an alternative?

 

[nehuge]

I saw on some other Forums that a couple of lubricants approved by Mercedes themselves for the sunroof are:

Fuchs Renolit FOL2
Kluber Polylub GLY 501
Wurth Tru Glide Lubricant 893898

MB paste sunroof.

My sunroof is starting to hang up a bit and I noticed there are several mentions of MB paste as being the proper lubricant. I looked it up and as far as I can tell it costs $70 which seems insane to me. Would Chevy sunroof lube cost the same or are we just paying for the Mercedes name, after all...

www.benzworld.org

 

[vo11ce]

Gleitpaste is intended for sliding surfaces, specifically sunroof rails, although it can be used for other purposes. I think it would work fine for a rear spoiler raising/lowering mechanism, though personally I would probably use NAPA Syl-Glyde or Lubriplate white grease. Syl-Glyde is an excellent all-around lubricant, and I use it for many things, including windshield wiper mechanisms, and so forth. Available at any NAPA Auto Parts store, or Amazon, or FleaBay.

You're getting a tub of Gleitpaste? See folks, this is exactly how the sickness spreads. First a 500E, then an SEC, now almost fully down the rabbit hole with a big ol' Gleitpaste purchase. Next up is a spare parts car to dismantle for NLA parts.......and semi-monthly trips to the local pick'n'pull yards in the Bay Area

Cheers,
Gerry

Do you think gleitpaste can be used in other sliding parts aswell, such as in the doors and trunk?

 

[gerryvz]

Do you think gleitpaste can be used in other sliding parts aswell, such as in the doors and trunk?

Yes, absolutely. It works well for things like door hinges, window regulators, trunk and hood latches, and so forth.

 

[Ian White]

After multiple years without, has a home brew version of silikonpaste been concocted? I have a few pesky interior rattles I cannot get to quiet down.