Evo II wheel bolt question

[S500E]

I am looking into upgrading stock 8-hole to evo ii wheels. Could I still use the same stock wheel bolts on the evo ii wheels with no issues? I believe they both use the same wheel bolts?

What is the correct wheel bolt part number?
I have B6 647 0133 (from MB brochure).
I have B6 647 0101 (from old Wiki).

Also, could anyone tell what I have in the picture is the MB stock wheel bolt for E500E? I do not see any part number on this wheel bolt.

Thank you.

 

[omegabenz]

those are wrong, those are for w126 (double head)

buy some stock 500e or 400e bolts, they have a longer single head,

Moderator edit: This is incorrect, the bolt pictured in post #1 is correct for stock E500E 8-hole wheels. The W126/R107 bolts are similar but not identical. 400E bolts have the "single head".

 

[S500E]

those are wrong, those are for w126 (double head)

buy some stock 500e or 400e bolts, they have a longer single head,

These wheel bolts were given to me by PO (along with stock 8-hole wheels) and was told that they came from the stock 8-hole wheels.

I will need 20 new correct bolts then for evo ii wheels. Does anyone know their correct part number? Thanks.

 

[Glen]

Actually, those are the correct, stock bolts for an E500E with original 16 x 8, ET34, 8-hole wheels. But I believe you will need new bolts for the EvoII wheels but I don't have a part number.

 

[gsxr]

Glen is correct. The stock 500E wheels use the long "double head" bolt shown above. I am not sure if those will work with the Evo II wheels; i.e. the head might stick out past the wheel surface... I'd have to check.

MB consolidated all the different lug bolts into two part numbers - you can get the extended head, or standard head, but that's it. No chrome heads, no medium-length heads... unfortunately, those part numbers have all been obsoleted.

 

[S500E]

Actually, those are the correct, stock bolts for an E500E with original 16 x 8, ET34, 8-hole wheels. But I believe you will need new bolts for the EvoII wheels but I don't have a part number.

Thanks all for your input. According to the attached pages from 2006 MB brochure, both stock 8-hole and evo ii seem to use the same bolts (B6 647 0133).

Old 500E Wiki had the following info:
"The wheel bolts are common for all models, 20 are required, Part reference : B6 6 47 0101
Anti-theft wheel bolts are also available, Part reference : B6 6 47 8232"

Anyone else with input on which wheel bolts? Thanks.

 

[sheward]

The longer wheel bolts refered to as the "double headed" will not work well. They will protrude appx. 1 inch beyond the wheel face. The extended head bolt will work perfectly.

drew

 

[Glen]

The brochure lists B6 647 0133 for both the 8-hole and EvoII...but I believe that must be for the standard head lug bolt as it lists the same bolt for other wheels that I know cannot use the double-headed bolt.

 

[gerryvz]

I have those same bolts for my 18" Rial stock-pattern wheels.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[gsxr]

000-990-48-07 is a single lug bolt, M12 x 1.5 x 40mm, with standard head.
B6-647-0133 is a set of five of the above lug bolts.
B6-647-0134 is a set of five of the "double head" lugs for stock 500E wheels.

The MB accessory wheel catalog says to use B6-647-0133 for Evo II wheels.

 

[2phast]

The double headed bolt will sit flush with the face of the wheel on a 8" diamater wheel. On a 7.5", it will stick out.

The double headed lugs will also almost be flush with a 8.5" whee as welll.

I didn't like the way they looked on my black wheels, so instead, I am using the shorter OEM bolts.

 

[S500E]

000-990-48-07 is a single lug bolt, M12 x 1.5 x 40mm, with standard head.
B6-647-0133 is a set of five of the above lug bolts.
B6-647-0134 is a set of five of the "double head" lugs for stock 500E wheels.

The MB accessory wheel catalog says to use B6-647-0133 for Evo II wheels.

Thanks everyone for your input.

So I'll need to order 4 x B6 647 0133 (total 20 bolts) for evo ii wheels, and stock 8-hole wheel bolt, pictured in original post won't work well with evo ii wheels (will stick out too far). With B6 647 0133 bolts, they should look like these 2 photos?

I inquired prices on evoii wheels and bolts at parts.com, and here are their current pricing as of Jan 2011:
evo ii silver: $404.80 (MB retail $545)
evo ii high sheen: $453.10 (MB retail $605)
"wheel bolts: B6 647 0133 (need 20 bolts total) cost $17.25ea" - So this must mean 5 bolts @ $17.25 and NOT one single bolt @ $17.25?

One more question... can anyone help me with part #'s for the center caps shown in these 2 photos: #1 with chrome star and #2 plain silver? I believe all e500e came with #2 plain silver? All depend on personal preference, but which center cap do you think would look better with evo ii's? Thanks.

 

[gsxr]

I believe it will look like the lower photo, with the bolt head further in from the wheel surface. Also the new bolt heads do not have the shiny cap, it's a plain / dull metal, which you wouldn't want exposed / visible anyway. Parts.com is wrong about the B6-bolt kits, they are a set of 5 bolts for ~$17, not $17 for one bolt. I ordered one of the B6 kits last year and it was a pack of 5. The lug bolts are ~$4 each.

 

[sheward]

another look.

 

[gsxr]

Drew, the lug bolt shown in your photo is the "medium" head bolt with decorative cap which, AFAIK, is no longer available from MB. The ones MB now sells have a short head and no cap. I need to take a photo of the current one (thumbnail shown below). I'm not sure if we can still get the other style via aftermarket sources.

 

[S500E]

Thanks sheward and gsxr for picutres. Makes good sense now. I will order 4 x B6 647 0133 bolts kit (total of 20 bolts) for evo ii wheels - parts.com price $17.25 per kit (MB retail $25)

Can anyone confirm that part # 2014010225 is the correct one for the center cap in the picture below? This one should fit and blend in nicely with evo ii high sheen wheels? Thank you.

 

[IBNR]

I've just had my OEM 8-hole wheels refurbished (they look awesome) and now want to have them put back on my car with some good luxo-sport-tour tires mounted, both for a change of style and to give me the chance to have my EVOII wheels refurbished after 10+ years of service. As I was getting the OEM wheels out of their boxes and over to the shop, however, I discovered that I apparently do not have the stock double-head wheel bolts for them any more (other than the 5 for the spare). In fact, I may not have ever received them from the prior owner when I bought the car back in 2005.

So, now I'm looking for a full 20-piece set of the original stock bolts (just like the one shown in the pic at the start of this thread). Anyone have any they want to sell, since I just learned through this thread that they're not available from MB any longer? I also have this posted in the "WTB" section (http://500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?1434-WTB-Full-Set-(20)-of-OEM-Wheel-Bolts).

 

[captruff]

Mike:

I might have an extra set. I will check my warehouse and get back to you.

Jeff

 

[IBNR]

Jeff, thanks -- I just responded to your PM.

 

[gsxr]

FYI, you can buy these brand new if desired, MB part number is B6-647-0134, this includes 5 lug bolts. So you would order qty 4 of p/n B6-647-0134. Current MSRP is $25 ea, or $18/ea from Parts.com... a set would be $100 list / ~$80 wholesale.

And yes, these will be the correct extended-head bolts. The standard short-head lugs are B6-647-0133. See post number 10 above.

EDIT: B6-647-0134 are "double head", but only 85mm long, and do not have the decorative polished cap. These are correct length for some W210 and some AMG wheels, but not correct for the E500E stock wheels. See photos below.

 

[edfreeman]

Anyone have a source for those? I've googled and searched on Parts.com to no good end. (Speaking of the extended/double head bolts B6-647-0134)

 

[S500E]

Anyone have a source for those? I've googled and searched on Parts.com to no good end. (Speaking of the extended/double head bolts B6-647-0134)

Part# 66470134 (type w/o "B" and dashes) and still available from parts.com ($18, MSRP $25)

 

[edfreeman]

Thanks . . . that did the trick.

 

[edfreeman]

The bolts are wrong, at least for me. In the pic, I was sent the shorter bolts, and I expect they are correct for the part #. On my car, with the original wheels, I have the longer bolts. I actually have one broken off just below the nut head (ie - it ain't going anywhere, neither is the wheel, but that'll be another thread . . . )

So, the question, again, anybody have a source for the longer bolts shown?

 

[gerryvz]

That long bolt in the above photo looks incorrect and I wouldn't use it. Look at the rounded surface on the MB bolt (the lower head portion ... and on the stock MB bolts in the photos earlier in this thread) as opposed to the more angular shaped lower head in the longer bolt you illustrate here. MB bolts (and wheels) are made for the rounded profile, NOT an angled profile. These bolts are unsafe and I wouldn't (personally) use them.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[edfreeman]

The other bolts will not seat up against the wheel. Note the thread to seat distance . . . these longer bolts sit flush with the wheel face after tigntening.

Y'know what? I think I have aftermarket replica wheels . . . the guy who sold me the car (2006) also had a set of snows (given to me). What'dya wanna bet those are the original wheels and these are knockoffs?

 

[gsxr]

Ed, the long bolt shown in your photo is an aftermarket bolt, with conical seat, designed for aftermarket wheels. Almost all aftermarket wheels use cone-seat lug bolts.

All Mercedes factory wheels use ball-seat lug bolts. The two types are not intechangeable. If you have a set of stock wheels, and a set of aftermarket, you'll need a separate set of lug bolts for each set of wheels.

 

[edfreeman]

Thanks, guys, unraveled a mystery . . . here's pics of the wheels on the car and a symbol on the wheel, which I bet is the aftermarketer . . .

And the wheels with the snows in the basement will use my new bolts . . . too bad they're beat all to hell.

Now, I think I know where to look . . . sorry for the trouble.

Oh, and btw, anybody know how to get a broken lug bolt out?

 

[sheward]

The only solution i can imagine would be to destroy the wheel with a torch to get room for a pipe wrench or similar tool. Too much shaft left to drill. It looks like dissimilar metal corrosion has set in. I have never come across 16x8-8 hole replicas. Judging from your wheel bolt photo the wheel thickness at the clamping point is only 1/2 - 5/8 inch. Plenty thick but much less than an oem wheel. I have a set of correct 8 holers that are about an 8 on a scale of 1 - 10. no curbing. A few scratches. I will take $300 for them if you're interested, (and close enough to make it worth your effort).

drew

 

[gsxr]

To remove the broken bolt... I'd get a stripped nut removal tool (like this), and see if it will fit into the hole in the wheel. If so, hammer it onto the bolt shaft, and see if that works. If that is too large & won't fit, next thing I'd try is drilling off the lug bolt head. If you drill, be very careful, as you risk drilling into the wheel itself. Drilling would be miserable though. Maybe do some Google searching and see if there are some other good ideas out there?

Next time, put a small tiny amount of anti-seize on the lug bolt threads & seat, and reduce the setting on your torque wrench a bit. Once you get a smidge of anti-seize on the contact areas, you should never have another stuck, corroded, or broken lug bolt again.

 

[edfreeman]

Anti-seize was applied (note the goop in the picture) when the wheels were last mounted as a few of them were a bit hard to turn then (around 8 months ago). Thanks for the idea, I'll get a set of those, and I bet there's plenty of room in the bolt hole. If nothing else, maybe I can shear the bolt off next to the seat so that drilling would be plausible.

And, sheward, I may take you up on that. I'm due a trip to Jono's soon, maybe in a day or two, to begin my annual MB maintenance ritual (have an SL500, and the son's 400e).

 

[Jimbo]

Thanks, guys, unraveled a mystery . . . here's pics of the wheels on the car and a symbol on the wheel, which I bet is the aftermarketer . . .

And the wheels with the snows in the basement will use my new bolts . . . too bad they're beat all to hell.

Now, I think I know where to look . . . sorry for the trouble.

Oh, and btw, anybody know how to get a broken lug bolt out?

That looks like the 'Speedline' emblem....is there a part number on the inside of the wheel?...if it starts with a 124 or 129 number then its the OE 8x16" wheel. I'm with Drew...don't think I've seen a replica 8x16" rim with the Speedline emblem on it....but I bet 'Tiger' out of China has gotten around to making them now. I had a set of 8 hole reps (but in 7x15") for a 190E back last century that I got from Adsit Company cheap.

The EvoII rims use bolts with this part number B6 647 0133...$20 (wholesale) for 5

 

[gerryvz]

I have seen that emblem on aftermarket wheels, definitely. Good quality aftermarket wheels.

 

[Cannoli]

For aftermarket bolts, I've used this company for conical bolts for RENNtech Monolites.

http://www.x-treempolish.com/ball_seat_lug_bolts.html

 

[Hollybrook]

Are the B6-647-0133 bolts correct for R129 SL AMG 2-piece wheels?

 

[MERCEDES26]

The original OE double headed bolts, with rounded (connicle) flanges are from the the factory fitted 16' 8J eight hole wheels and are NOT for EVO II whels. They are too long.

GSXR is correct. I have EVO II wheels and have original stock shorter bolts with ball flange.

So you need the shorter stock bolt as provided for all other W124 vehicles. Make sure they have the ball (connicle) flange and NOT the angular flange. Angular flange bolts are for after market rims not originals.

 

[500AMM]

Re: Wheel bolt question

Hi.

I've been looking for longer lug bolts to add 10-15mm spacers, I need 50-60mm bolt stem. It seems hard to find aftermarket bolts having the correct radius on the ball flange (r=12mm), they have a slightly larger radius more like r=14mm or something. So I think the best would be to find OE bolts having the wanted stem length, but MB don't specify stem lengths in the EPC. Any proposal for which MB I should get theese bolts from?

Thanks.

 

[gsxr]

I've never seen any factory bolts with 50-60mm stem length. Is there anything in the correct length at this site?

http://www.radusadirect.com/

 

[sheward]

The people at the link Dave provided offer 50mm and 60mm bolts in both 12mm and 14mm ball seat. I found them to be knowledgeable and helpful. The front hubs on E500E will accept 10mm or more excessive length (beyond the hub)without problems, however the rears must be no longer than flush with the back of the hub or the result will be interference with the parking brake assembly. Wheel bolts can be cut to length with a hack saw and the threads chased with a spare nut or a file without much difficulty. Even better if one has a friend working in/owning a machine shop with a metal lathe. Always take care to have the proper amount of threads engaged in the hub.

drew

 

[500AMM]

Brilliant Dave - many thanks for the information!
Here is the RAD producer in the Fatherland: http://www.radgmbh.com/ I guess I purchase from them to reduce the shipping cost.

To support what Drew says - it is very important to be aware of the hanbrake mechanism at rear!

For information and to simplify calculations on bolt lengths:
- The thickness on the rear hub flange is 18 mm. However, the rear lug bolts can protrude max.10 mm inside the hub until they interfere with the handbrake mechanism. But check this to be sure!

- The thickness on the front hub flange is 19 mm. The bolts can protrude another 10 mm or more on the inside, but I didn't check how much more since it's out of question to use that much overlength bolts.
(The measurements was taken on my 1994 model, but I guess it is no difference on earlier models).

Cheers
-arnt-

 

[Hollybrook]

Are the B6-647-0133 bolts correct for R129 SL AMG 2-piece wheels?

To answer my own question in case someone else wants to know... This combination works fine.

Moderator edit: These short-head bolts will technically work, but are not "correct" for the AMG 2-pc wheels. The correct bolts are shown here.

 

[oaklandw124]

Hi, putting on Evo II wheels today, replacing AMG Monoblocks. The lug bolts for the AMG's are too long for the Evo's so I'm at the dealer asking for the shorter bolts. They are giving me a pRt number of A 000 990 48 07, which they have in stock. Will these work, or should I use the B66470134 but need to be special ordered? If anyone can help right away, that would be great as I am going to hang here at the dealer until I get a response.

 

[oaklandw124]

Correction. Correct special order part number was B66470133.

 

[Klink]

The currently available bolt part number is 000 990 48 07. That is a conventional short wheel bolt that will not come out to the face of the wheel.

 

[bing]

As discussed on previous post of this thread:

The MB accessory wheel catalog says to use B6-647-0133 for Evo II wheels.

 

[oaklandw124]

Thanks, for the responses. The dealer has the 0133 parts that are order-able, so I am going to try those first.

 

[Klink]

As discussed on previous post of this thread:

The MB accessory wheel catalog says to use B6-647-0133 for Evo II wheels.

Thanks, for the responses. The dealer has the 0133 parts that are order-able, so I am going to try those first.

It's all good. The 133 number is a "wheel installation kit" with 5 bolts, a center cap, and a valve stem.

 

[Klink]

Eric, that might be my favorite signature list of anybody's on this site, but I've told you that before...

 

[vatc5637]

FYI, I used OE lug bolts from a w210 E420/430 with my EVO II wheels. I don't know the part number. You can see a picture of how they look installed here: WTB: OE MB Deep Lug Bolts

 

[oaklandw124]

Eric, that might be my favorite signature list of anybody's on this site, but I've told you that before...

Thanks, Klink!

And thank you all for your help.