Rear windscreen glass temporarily NLA (summer 2020)

[e500.org]

ADMIN EDIT: This appears to have been a temporary NLA, as A1246701080 is available again in late 2020 and in 2021. Thread title updated.

So, post COVID restrictions, I go to order the rear 124.036 windscreen glass 124-670-10-80 from the dealer and its NLA. Same status showing for Germany, NLA.

I cannot find aftermarket option either i.e. pilkington which leaves me stuck.

Anyone have a lead on one or willing to sell theirs? Must be brand new of course.

 

[JC220]

Surprise surprise eh? NLA stuff reported every week. It will soon be easier to list parts that ARE available VS the NLA ones.

I am just glad I restored my 500E 3 odd years ago. I always pondered buying a second one but I discounted that idea long ago since parts pricing and NLA status is getting plain silly.

The other problem is, If a 500E is in an accident all this NLA will most likely write the car off. Not good at all and doesn't seem like the situation will change any time soon.

We can substitute the rear screen for the pedestrian saloon version of course but this sort of thing keeps us 036 anoraks awake at night

 

[Markus-MD]

Today i was too my local Dealer and he said me "in Germany only 2 Rear double glass avalibe. I have ordered one to my 036.In fact now one in Germany free. After that NML/NLA .I hope i have never an Accident .

 

[gerryvz]

The part number for the .036-specific rear windscreen glass is 124 670 10 80. MB Annapolis' price for this is $684, or 40% off of MBUSA list price (indicated with local pickup only).

MB Classic is showing that it is still available, at least as of today.

 

[gsxr]

Have you confirmed that it's a 'hard NLA', and not just OOS / backorder? There are different codes in Paragon. Some dealers may say "NLA" when it's actually just zero stock. A few years back we went through this with the front windshield, and they eventually came back into stock.

MB Classic Germany is showing it available, but actual NLA stuff can take days/weeks to reflect here:

https://partssearch.mercedes-benz-classic.com/parts/A1246701080?tt=manual

 

[Markus-MD]

I haved seen in the computer for my local MB Dealer .one and then empty for Germany .And the point when you make the Order then can the here see the availeble parts,.Hope for you in America its better.
My Knowlege is MB is collecting the orders too a level .maybe 100 or so and then takes a new Produktion for this, But 100% the parts more expensive as the old one.And this makes me a little bit angry. Front lights Fenders front rear Bumpers and so on NLA and hope for the Future that going better.
soory for my not so good English
Mercedes the Best or nothing.We will see

 

[JC220]

Have you confirmed that it's a 'hard NLA', and not just OOS / backorder? There are different codes in Paragon. Some dealers may say "NLA" when it's actually just zero stock. A few years back we went through this with the front windshield, and they eventually came back into stock.

MB Classic Germany is showing it available, but actual NLA stuff can take days/weeks to reflect here:

https://partssearch.mercedes-benz-classic.com/parts/A1246701080?tt=manual

But the front screen is not 500E specific, it fits pretty much all.w124s so it makes sense that it came back.

 

[e500.org]

I have been told by the MB Dubai agent it is actually on back order and not NLA (they basically said they expect it to be produced again). That said, they have just confirmed to me they have no stock in the UAE (pre-COVID they had 2 units) and no stock in Germany. No approx. date on when the part could be available, they suggested minimum of 5-6 months. Glass is priced at $1,375 inc VAT.

 

[JC220]

I have been told by the MB Dubai agent it is actually on back order and not NLA (they basically said they expect it to be produced again). That said, they have just confirmed to me they have no stock in the UAE (pre-COVID they had 2 units) and no stock in Germany. No approx. date on when the part could be available, they suggested minimum of 5-6 months. Glass is priced at $1,375 inc VAT.

This is promising news that it might come back in future. Zero stock in Germany today according to my MB dealer about an hour ago.

(Fess up, who on 500E board panic bought these last 2x screens in Germany!?) @Markus-MD got one?

My 500's rear screen is milky and needs replacement just never got around to it.



Let's see if I can get one

 

[JC220]

This random ebay listing has the correct part number.... but could be a pedestrian screen I guess.

Diederichs 8430166 Rear Windscreen 1246701080 | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Diederichs 8430166 Rear Windscreen 1246701080 at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products!

www.ebay.co.uk

AND per usual someone would have to buy to see if it really is in stock and / or is correct

Autodoc is better price, has more specs on it but is not in stock

Rear Windscreen DIEDERICHS 8430166 — Buy now!

Buy DIEDERICHS 8430166 Rear Windscreen at low cost ❗ RRP: £ 915,45 — Our price: £ 778,13 — you save 26% ❗ Buy now ❗

www.autodoc.co.uk

 

[JC220]

I have been advised to go to my dealer's on Monday and pick up my 500E rear screen. They said they located just one which was in England - as I said before there is none in Germany. It is on it's way to NI now apparently.

I will let you all know what the glass markings are and if I actually do get it on Monday, finger's crossed! (Slightly sceptical that it will actually materialise)

 

[gerryvz]

Yes, interested to see if it is Pilkington or another manufacturer. Thanks for the update ! Can your hoard handle an item as large as a piece of rear windscreen glass?

 

[JC220]

Yes, interested to see if it is Pilkington or another manufacturer. Thanks for the update ! Can your hoard handle an item as large as a piece of rear windscreen glass?

My hoard already includes rear pedestrian glass Gerry! And approx 20 side windows from c124s, w124s, c215s and 140s so far. Need a few sets of w220 glass too.

 

[Markus-MD]

My glass is arrived.I am a little bit happy

 

[JC220]

My glass is arrived.I am a little bit happy

Pics or it didnt happen as @gerryvz would say

 

[gerryvz]

Pics or it didnt happen as @gerryvz would say

@nocfn ... but close enough. It's a "BW 126" thing, based on the foibles and exploits of various principals there...

 

[Markus-MD]

 

[JC220]

View attachment 112644

Going by the MB sticker it looks like that screen was produced in June of this year!

 

[darek_u]

Isn't it available from Pilk as an aftermarket part #420002430?

 

[darek_u]

I did a little more digging... For those of you who are interested there is still one rear glass available from MB Europe. My local dealer confirmed it for me on Friday. Price is around 800 EUR. He had it booked for me but I let it go - it's yours to grab hoarders
I will purchase a Pilkington glass (in fact I've already done this), that is virtually identical to the original minus star. At the moment there are 3 available from Pilkington Poland, I guess there may be more in EU. The price is 380 EUR, considering other parts I need to buy it was no brainer for me...

 

[e500.org]

I did a little more digging... For those of you who are interested there is still one rear glass available from MB Europe. My local dealer confirmed it for me on Friday. Price is around 800 EUR. He had it booked for me but I let it go - it's yours to grab hoarders
I will purchase a Pilkington glass (in fact I've already done this), that is virtually identical to the original minus star. At the moment there are 3 available from Pilkington Poland, I guess there may be more in EU. The price 380 EUR, considering other parts I need to buy it was no brainer for me...

Thanks for this, can you be more specific as to which dealer as I checked now with Dubai agent and still nothing in Germany showing. Also, do you have pilkington part number? Cheers

 

[darek_u]

I just checked with my local MB dealer in PL but I don't think it really matters - all dealerships are using the same IT network to check for spare parts in central warehouse and in local warehouses for particular countries/regions. I'm not an expert, somebody correct me if I'm wrong please.
As far as Pilkington p/n - see post #19...

 

[JC220]

My screen is at the dealers apparently Waiting on more parts to arrvice then I'll pick all up.

Had I considered the pilkington option I may have held out but the fear of NLA was too great

Plus when it's in pebble beach in years to come it will have the all important star on it. (At least I keep telling myself that!)

 

[gsxr]

I will purchase a Pilkington glass (in fact I've already done this), that is virtually identical to the original minus star. At the moment there are 3 available from Pilkington Poland, I guess there may be more in EU. The price is 380 EUR, considering other parts I need to buy it was no brainer for me...

Wow. Anyone know if the aftermarket version is available in USA? Half price is a lot more tempting for the hoarders.

 

[Markus-MD]

Fingers cross and bless the w124. The star in the Glass was only Option for me to pick the glass.Hope Mercedes dont forgot too Reproduction this Important spare Parts and others .And wee can Payed in the Future only to an make Hypotek of everything

 

[jaymanek]

I am also looking for one of thise. I dont mind Pilkington or MB. My dealers say no stock anywhere.
My glass supplier says no stock at Pilkington either.

My glass that was fitted in 2015 has a crack in it

 

[JC220]

I am also looking for one of thise. I dont mind Pilkington or MB. My dealers say no stock anywhere.
My glass supplier says no stock at Pilkington either.

My glass that was fitted in 2015 has a crack in it

Jay, ref the cracked glass did that happen at the time of installation? Or was it struck with something since then?

Just curious if there was a manufacturing defect in the replacement glass or if you know how that occured at all?

 

[Markus-MD]

Is this crack left and or right up sight??? My car has this Problem ,And i man this is the black metal cover. When i ordered this parts the the EPC ask nothing .Two glas or one glas pieces.In my opinion is the normal rear glas a littel bit thinner .An this is with my car the reason for the crack.
The crack came one day after instalation and my friend how helps me.is worker too an big company for auto glass here in Germany.

 

[jaymanek]

Hi all. So its not only me.

I have to admit im a little more upset than a grown man should be about some glass.

Even more so that the glass is NLA and I have no source to get a replacement.

The crack is from top right going down. My car has mainly been in the garage, probably done less than 2K miles, so I dont think it has had any impact.

I can only assume that it got damaged slightly during installation. I was watching them like a hawk, but I guess a tiny chip could have spread.

 

[jaymanek]

ps. the dealer says the glass is 0 stock but it looks as though they are changing supplier. I have placed one on order but no idea on a date of delivery.

 

[jaymanek]

Jay, ref the cracked glass did that happen at the time of installation? Or was it struck with something since then?

Just curious if there was a manufacturing defect in the replacement glass or if you know how that occured at all?

Hi! See my comment above, our dealer suspects they are changing supplier as there is some comment about "revised part will be supplied" but no idea on date and even the new part is still showing no stock. The part number has remained the same.
I hope it doesnt come with the standard W124 heater elements as Mercedes often have a way of superceeding to an incorrect part!

 

[gsxr]

I hope it doesnt come with the standard W124 heater elements as Mercedes often have a way of superceeding to an incorrect part!

Nah, if they were ditching the nice glass and reverting to standard heating elements, it would be a part number supercession to the existing standard glass.

Might end up with a -64 suffix on the stuff from the new supplier, might not. Guess we'll find out in a few months?

 

[Rouven036]

Glass cracks on laminated windshields can occur also by installation faults resulting in tension when the car is in normal driving/standing condition as well as damages happened to the sensitive outer edges which might be initially very small only to develop in short time into cracks extending into the glas panel. The trim molding around could cause this while installing (I always found it a head ache on these cars due to the flimsy preassembly) , or from transport impacts.

Said this, after I had repainted my car back in 2000/2001 I also installed all new glass. Only to face delamination on the rear windshield in one area (milky) within the second year. Back then warranty covered it.

 

[Markus-MD]

In my Opinion is Trim Molding the Mistake. I think is a wrong Part for an double glass.

 

[JC220]

Due to one side of rear window trim being NLA, and therefore not being able to renew all trims my plan is to carefully remove the original trims intact and possibly have them wrapped in gloss black film before re-using them

 

[jaymanek]

Due to one side of rear window trim being NLA, and therefore not being able to renew all trims my plan is to carefully remove the original trims intact and possibly have them wrapped in gloss black film before re-using them

you need to be very careful. If you cut the old seal, this will give best chance of not damaging the trim.
It is very very easy to bend.

I just had my W126 SEC restored and they bent my perfect "chromes" getting the screen out. I could not find new chromes anywhere. I had to settle for a marked and damaged item from an old parts car I had laying around.

 

[JC220]

you need to be very careful. If you cut the old seal, this will give best chance of not damaging the trim.
It is very very easy to bend.

I just had my W126 SEC restored and they bent my perfect "chromes" getting the screen out. I could not find new chromes anywhere. I had to settle for a marked and damaged item from an old parts car I had laying around.

Thanks for that. Yes when the time comes I will remove the old glass myself and use a sharp knife to cut them free without damage. Then I will bodywork it, have the whole car re-painted and find the best glass fitter this side of the Mississippi to complete final install

 

[darek_u]

My Pilk glass arrived today at the local warehouse.

 

[gerryvz]

Is that E500E-specific laminated rear glass, or pedestrian W124 back-glass?

 

[jaymanek]

Guys I have also managed to order pilkington glass thanks to the part number quoted above! At first they told me no longer available but the number above is available.
Lets see if they show up!

 

[gsxr]

Is that E500E-specific laminated rear glass, or pedestrian W124 back-glass?

Photos show the fancy expensive "compound" rear glass, which was standard in all 036, but optional on other 124 sedans worldwide.

 

[darek_u]

It is a proper glass, laminated, with thick packed heating elements. See attached pics.

 

[jaymanek]

Hi All. It seems I have ordered the last Pilkington glass in Europe. Hopefully it gets to me without issue.

My glass is cracked from the inside. Here at work, we have a guy that comes in to repair cracks. He has filled the crack with a resin. So now I will leave it until it spreads. Its still visible but hopefully wont crack further for some time.

Ideally I would like to replace with a genuine glass if they become available again.

p.s. the ebay seller above also has no access to anymore glass.

 

[gerryvz]

MB Classic Parts is saying that it is still available. My guess is that they will commission another production run for the glass, and it will be avaialble again in the future.

 

[nocfn]

Bob at naperville told me the other day that MB is bringing many items in to centralized warehouses for better inventory control. Reflecting the price increases for such things as much as 30-50%. So if you are patient (too patient .... I was waiting for Q4 before I bought the replacement. That is going to cost me).

 

[JC220]

MB Classic Parts is saying that it is still available. My guess is that they will commission another production run for the glass, and it will be avaialble again in the future.

I have asked my local MB parts manager to check what the story is with this glass. He agrees with me that a "supplier change" as suggested by others appears highly unlikely

 

[gerryvz]

If the status changes within the next week or two on the MB web site, then we will know that it is permanent NLA, and likely superseded to the pedestrian W124 back-glass. Which, to be honest, would not surprise me.

That said, my personal belief is that like with other parts that get depleted, MB runs out of stock, and commissions another production run from the same manufacturer (in this case, it seems that Pilkington is the current/recent OEM). My best guess based on long observation is that MB will commission one further production run, and that will likely be the LAST production run before it does go permanent NLA, and is indicated as such.

My intention, if/when a new production run is made, is to spend the $650 for a new piece, and put in storage.

 

[Markus-MD]

Soory gerryvz .I think when MB takes a new Produktion be sure that the price go higher. Here in Germany most of the Population a little bit nuts and stupid Here is a Car an Enemy (Ex Elon Musk is a new Good). And MB will not more take old cars hold on street ,You must Lease or buy every 5 years a new car for Rescue the World /CO2/ and a lot other things that came over the seas.
soory guys but this is my privat Mind and offtopic.

 

[gerryvz]

Well, there can be and often is quite a bit of variance between the prices of parts in the US, and in Germany. Sometimes parts are much much cheaper here, and sometimes they are much much more expensive here than in Germany. Will have to see what happens when/if they do new production. I don't expect a huge price increase.

 

[Markus-MD]

I hope too .I must finish my 124 v12 Coupe Projekt. And the colecting of NML spare parts is not funy and easy. But i am optimitic that this car in Dezember go to the Paintshop.