WANTED Need an interior part....NLA according to parts.com

[mistermiata]

Hi Guys,

Tried to order this part through parts.com, they said its no longer available. It covers the left side of the drivers seat track. I think the part # is 2019191920. Anyone have a parts car with this piece available?

Thanks!

Pic on left is side without cover, right pic shows right side with covering

 

[gerryvz]

Try your dealer or the Classic Center just to make sure.

These are excellent parts to get from parts cars, as they commonly get lost or break.

 

[DerFuror]

It covers the left side of the drivers seat track. I think the part # is 2019191920.

You must append the part number with the proper color code.

Try that & see if the item shows as available.

 

[gerryvz]

More and more interior trim parts are NLA for both the 126 and the 124, or if they are available at all, they are only in unpainted or black color.

I've heard over the past few months, from multiple unrelated sources, that MB is now (more than ever) dramatically reducing parts support for models older than 20 years. And the 124 is on that list, as is the 126, etc.

This reduction in support (i.e. no replacements of parts once stock is sold out) makes scavenging parts at wrecking yards, and buying parts cars for those of us who are long-term owners, more important than ever.

This is a major shift in philosophy by MB. They have always, in the past, had among the very strongest commitment of any car company to supporting their older and vintage vehicles. This commitment is now waning. Up to now, MB has largely just consolidated parts or eliminated a lot of interior and exterior trim pieces by consolidating them down into a single piece that is uncolored. Or they have superseded parts (quite often, hardware and hoses) with modern equivalents from newer chassis (i.e. the driver's side transmission cooler hose, or the coolant overflow-tank hose to the fender mounted tank). Once current parts stocks are sold out, MB is telling dealers they will not be replacing them.

This is very surprising given the dramatic and frequent parts price increases of recent years.

All of this makes forums and resources like this highly important in terms of helping source new, aftermarket and used parts, and where to get things repaired. I just hope it doesn't get to the point where URO parts are the only available parts out there....

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[szvook]

Hmmm...this just might raise the price of beaters or salvaged 036's in the future.

 

[mistermiata]

You must append the part number with the proper color code.

Try that & see if the item shows as available.

I think they only come in black? I have a grey interior and the other 3 covers are black.....

 

[mistermiata]

More and more interior trim parts are NLA for both the 126 and the 124, or if they are available at all, they are only in unpainted or black color.

I've heard over the past few months, from multiple unrelated sources, that MB is now (more than ever) dramatically reducing parts support for models older than 20 years. And the 124 is on that list, as is the 126, etc.

This reduction in support (i.e. no replacements of parts once stock is sold out) makes scavenging parts at wrecking yards, and buying parts cars for those of us who are long-term owners, more important than ever.

This is a major shift in philosophy by MB. They have always, in the past, had among the very strongest commitment of any car company to supporting their older and vintage vehicles. This commitment is now waning. Up to now, MB has largely just consolidated parts or eliminated a lot of interior and exterior trim pieces by consolidating them down into a single piece that is uncolored. Or they have superseded parts (quite often, hardware and hoses) with modern equivalents from newer chassis (i.e. the driver's side transmission cooler hose, or the coolant overflow-tank hose to the fender mounted tank). Once current parts stocks are sold out, MB is telling dealers they will not be replacing them.

This is very surprising given the dramatic and frequent parts price increases of recent years.

All of this makes forums and resources like this highly important in terms of helping source new, aftermarket and used parts, and where to get things repaired. I just hope it doesn't get to the point where URO parts are the only available parts out there....

Cheers,
Gerry

Hey Gerry.....next time your at your local pick-n-pull, could you try to find one of these for me?

 

[500AMM]

Hi Guys,

Tried to order this part through parts.com, they said its no longer available. It covers the left side of the drivers seat track. I think the part # is 2019191920. Anyone have a parts car with this piece available?

Thanks!

Pic on left is side without cover, right pic shows right side with covering

Andy,

I think that PN is wrong. These covers are in fact a bit tricky to find in the EPC, bad sketches and it doesn't give an obvious choice. I was through these covers on my very first MB ('91 300E TDT) and the dealer ended up with two different covers labelled with identical PNs?! I have bought 2 seat bases for a memory seat conversion on one of my cars, and when exploring the items I realized that the seat bases are identical for both sides, except from the seat belt mechanism. That means it should be only two different covers. However, the EPC are listing the following:
No specific side: A124 919 19 20 or .....20 20 color dependent on VIN
Rear right, left seat: A201 919 27 20
No specific side: A124 919 11 20
Rear inner right, left seat: A124 919 12 20

I think you need A124 919 11 20 since the lowest PN normally starts from left to right. The only color available now is black. You can also pull the left cover on your pass. seat and try it on the drivers seat, and look for a PN, but I'm not sure these covers are marked.

-a-

 

[500AMM]

More and more interior trim parts are NLA for both the 126 and the 124, or if they are available at all, they are only in unpainted or black color.

I've heard over the past few months, from multiple unrelated sources, that MB is now (more than ever) dramatically reducing parts support for models older than 20 years. And the 124 is on that list, as is the 126, etc.

This reduction in support (i.e. no replacements of parts once stock is sold out) makes scavenging parts at wrecking yards, and buying parts cars for those of us who are long-term owners, more important than ever.

This is a major shift in philosophy by MB. They have always, in the past, had among the very strongest commitment of any car company to supporting their older and vintage vehicles. This commitment is now waning. Up to now, MB has largely just consolidated parts or eliminated a lot of interior and exterior trim pieces by consolidating them down into a single piece that is uncolored. Or they have superseded parts (quite often, hardware and hoses) with modern equivalents from newer chassis (i.e. the driver's side transmission cooler hose, or the coolant overflow-tank hose to the fender mounted tank). Once current parts stocks are sold out, MB is telling dealers they will not be replacing them.

This is very surprising given the dramatic and frequent parts price increases of recent years.

All of this makes forums and resources like this highly important in terms of helping source new, aftermarket and used parts, and where to get things repaired. I just hope it doesn't get to the point where URO parts are the only available parts out there....

Cheers,
Gerry

Bad news! Definitely need to look for parts cars, but many breakers here crush the classic MBs almost immediately due to a falling business on them. But I'm also facing that several parts are not available from the US vendors, when they still comes up here in "urop". I tried to order the replacement pulley bracket for the air pump delete, but neither MBCC or Parts.com could deliver. But I easily got it from Speed Autoteile in the fatherland.

-a-

 

[mistermiata]

Andy,

I think that PN is wrong. These covers are in fact a bit tricky to find in the EPC, bad sketches and it doesn't give an obvious choice. I was through these covers on my very first MB ('91 300E TDT) and the dealer ended up with two different covers labelled with identical PNs?! I have bought 2 seat bases for a memory seat conversion on one of my cars, and when exploring the items I realized that the seat bases are identical for both sides, except from the seat belt mechanism. That means it should be only two different covers. However, the EPC are listing the following:
No specific side: A124 919 19 20 or .....20 20 color dependent on VIN
Rear right, left seat: A201 919 27 20
No specific side: A124 919 11 20
Rear inner right, left seat: A124 919 12 20

I think you need A124 919 11 20 since the lowest PN normally starts from left to right. The only color available now is black. You can also pull the left cover on your pass. seat and try it on the drivers seat, and look for a PN, but I'm not sure these covers are marked.

-a-

Thanks Arnt!...I will add your part# to my next order and see what happens. In the meantime, if anyone has one lying around, or finds one at the junkyard, let me know. Can always count on someone on this forum to come up with an answer. Love it!!

 

[gsxr]

Andy, how did you find out from parts.com that the 201- number was NLA? And where did you get that part number from?

Arnt is correct, I think the part number you are looking for is 124-919-11-20, although the EPC is not particularly clear on this. UPDATE: The EPC is wrong. See link in post #16 below.

+1 with Gerry about contacting Tom at the Classic Center to verify.

 

[gerryvz]

Arnt/Dave,

If the number you are showing is correct (I haven't looked it up in the EPC myself), then parts.com is showing this part available for $3.84 apiece.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[mistermiata]

Andy, how did you find out from parts.com that the 201- number was NLA? And where did you get that part number from?

Arnt is correct, I think the part number you are looking for is 124-919-11-20, although the EPC is not particularly clear on this.

+1 with Gerry about contacting Tom at the Classic Center to verify.

Dave...got the part # from the EPC, but as you say, I wasn't 100% sure the part# was the correct one. Parts.com notified me via email that the 201-part# was NLA a day or two after I placed an order for multiple parts with that as part of the order.

 

[mistermiata]

Arnt/Dave,

If the number you are showing is correct (I haven't looked it up in the EPC myself), then parts.com is showing this part available for $3.84 apiece.

Cheers,
Gerry

Gerry....I thought the 201-part # was available when I ordered it, no notification from parts.com that it wasn't available at the time I ordered it. I received an email from them a day or two later telling me it was NLA....here's the email:

Thank you for ordering from Parts.com .

We regret to inform you that the following item is currently unavailable:

Part Number: 2019191920
Part Description: COVER,SEAT F
Reason: Discontinued

 

[gsxr]

Dave...got the part # from the EPC, but as you say, I wasn't 100% sure the part# was the correct one.

Andy, what group / subgroup / etc did you find this in? 201-919-19-20 does not show in the EPC for the 124.036 chassis!

 

[500AMM]

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I was wrong about that seat base cover, sorry. But I checked it on my cars tonight, so take a look here: http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?4643-Seat-base-covers&p=49843#post49843

 

[gsxr]

Looks like another error in the EPC. Thanks for confirming, Arnt!

 

[500AMM]

Gerry....I thought the 201-part # was available when I ordered it, no notification from parts.com that it wasn't available at the time I ordered it. I received an email from them a day or two later telling me it was NLA....here's the email:

Thank you for ordering from Parts.com .

We regret to inform you that the following item is currently unavailable:

Part Number: 201 919 19 20
Part Description: COVER,SEAT F
Reason: Discontinued

Andy - if you don't get that particular cover in the US you could ask for it here in "Urop", Speed Autoteile is a very good source. But they do face problems with the "OE parts war" from the MB headquarter against 3rd party vendors, so the delivery time can be several weeks in some cases.

You did in fact trigger me to physically check out the PN on these covers yesterday and I realized the same cover you need to be wrong on my Limited, so I am now going to order this one quite soon. Do you want me to get one for you too?

-a-

 

[500AMM]

Looks like another error in the EPC. Thanks for confirming, Arnt!

Well, Dave - they all appear in the EPC, but from their listing I am not in my simple mind able to tell which ones to fit for which seat..?..

 

[david hendy]

I have a few of those. You can have one for free. Just pay shipping.

 

[gsxr]

Well, Dave - they all appear in the EPC, but from their listing I am not in my simple mind able to tell which ones to fit for which seat..?..

Arnt, I am using the Nov-2012 EPC (EWA-Net) and the 201- part numbers do not appear for the .034/.036 chassis, only on the 4/5/6-cyl 124's.

What EPC are you using, and do the 201- numbers show for the .034/.036?

 

[500AMM]

Arnt, I am using the Nov-2012 EPC (EWA-Net) and the 201- part numbers do not appear for the .034/.036 chassis, only on the 4/5/6-cyl 124's.

What EPC are you using, and do the 201- numbers show for the .034/.036?

Here's the info I find about the EPC. The covers appears on both my cars.

 

[mistermiata]

I have a few of those. You can have one for free. Just pay shipping.

Yes Dave, I will take one! Thanks so much! I will paypal you the shipping. Send me your Paypal address.

 

[mistermiata]

Andy - if you don't get that particular cover in the US you could ask for it here in "Urop", Speed Autoteile is a very good source. But they do face problems with the "OE parts war" from the MB headquarter against 3rd party vendors, so the delivery time can be several weeks in some cases.

You did in fact trigger me to physically check out the PN on these covers yesterday and I realized the same cover you need to be wrong on my Limited, so I am now going to order this one quite soon. Do you want me to get one for you too?

-a-

Thanks for the offer Arnt, but it looks like Dave Hendy can hook us up for shipping cost only....

FYI, I did email Tom Hanson about availability of this part. I will let you know his response.

 

[gsxr]

Here's the info I find about the EPC. The covers appears on both my cars.

Arnt, the numbers you show (callout #60) are 124-919-xx-20-xxxx, these are color-coded to match the interior color (gray, cream, etc). Those are not the black covers for the rails.

The EPC still does not show the 201- part numbers for the .034/.036 chassis.

 

[mistermiata]

Andy, what group / subgroup / etc did you find this in? 201-919-19-20 does not show in the EPC for the 124.036 chassis!

Dave.....now I'm not so sure where I got that 201-part#. Just looked in the EPC and can only find the 124-part #. I looked it up a month or so ago (even started a thread...http://www.500eboard.com/forums/sho...irm-2-part-numbers-please&highlight=Seat+rail). The memory ain't what it used to be

 

[500AMM]

Arnt, the numbers you show (callout #60) are 124-919-xx-20-xxxx, these are color-coded to match the interior color (gray, cream, etc). Those are not the black covers for the rails.

The EPC still does not show the 201- part numbers for the .034/.036 chassis.

Yes, they have an additional color code listed in the EPC. But I shot photos of the PN on each cover yesterday night, look at the images here at post #2 and #4:
http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?4643-Seat-base-covers&p=49843#post49843

The PN on each cover corresponds to what I find in the EPC, at least the one I use. But the description on each cover in the EPC is a bit cryptic to me, so I can only rely on what experienced yesterday.

-a-

 

[gsxr]

Yes, they have an additional color code listed in the EPC. But I shot photos of the PN on each cover yesterday night, look at the images here at post #2 and #4:
http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?4643-Seat-base-covers&p=49843#post49843

The PN on each cover corresponds to what I find in the EPC, at least the one I use. But the description on each cover in the EPC is a bit cryptic to me, so I can only rely on what experienced yesterday.

Arnt, exactly, your photos show two 124- numbers (which are in the EPC for .034/.036), and also the other two numbers (the 201- numbers, which are not in the EPC for .034/.036). I believe your photos show the correct part numbers (201-919-19-20 and 201-919-19-20). These show in the EPC for other 124's, but not the V8 models.

Summary:

124-919-11-20 - Right seat, inner cover, in EPC for all 124 wagon/sedan
124-919-12-20 - Left seat, inner cover, in EPC for all 124 wagon/sedan
201-919-19-20 - Left seat, outer cover, not in EPC for 124.034/124.036
201-919-20-20 - Right seat, outer cover, not in EPC for 124.034/124.036

Andy had the correct number to start with, strange that it's NLA...

 

[500AMM]

Arnt, exactly, your photos show two 124- numbers (which are in the EPC for .034/.036), and also the other two numbers (the 201- numbers, which are not in the EPC for .034/.036). I believe your photos show the correct part numbers (201-919-19-20 and 201-919-19-20). These show in the EPC for other 124's, but not the V8 models.

Summary:

124-919-11-20 - Right seat, inner cover, in EPC for all 124 wagon/sedan
124-919-12-20 - Left seat, inner cover, in EPC for all 124 wagon/sedan
201-919-19-20 - Left seat, outer cover, not in EPC for 124.034/124.036
201-919-20-20 - Right seat, outer cover, not in EPC for 124.034/124.036

Andy had the correct number to start with, strange that it's NLA...

Mmmnn - that's not correct. If you look at the EPC-search I have shown in my post #22 here, it is done on my Limited. So it may be some differnce between the EPC we are using.

-a-

 

[gsxr]

Mmmnn - that's not correct. If you look at the EPC-search I have shown in my post #22 here, it is done on my Limited. So it may be some differnce between the EPC we are using.

Arnt, the photos you attached in post #22 show part numbers 124-919-19/20-20, not 201-919-19/20-20.

 

[500AMM]

Arnt, the photos you attached in post #22 show part numbers 124-919-19/20-20, not 201-919-19/20-20.

Hah! You are so damn right Dave. I'm sorry for making confusion here. I was so sure I posted the correct view from the EPC - but here it comes with the 201xxx numbers I thought I posted in post #22.

Another two 201xxx numbers - the confusion is now complete.

(However, I hope my other thread with the pics clear it up.)

 

[gsxr]

No worries, Arnt! But now I'm trying to figure out what those other numbers are, i.e. 124-919-19-20-9051 (black)...

 

[gerryvz]