E50 AMG cams+intake upgrade for E500E

[AMGTesTDriverNJ]

ADMIN EDIT: Posts copied from original thread located here.

Maybe this would be more fun?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122392540800 <-- $2000 USD / OBO

W124 E500 M119 AMG Kit

Rare original parts W124 E500 LTD AMG version 1994-95. AMG engine inlet with advanced inlet and AMG sports camshafts with higher lift Cams M119 in excellent condition mileage 76000km.​

Seller ID = i_maniac

 

[Taxi Driver]

Re: E60 Differential

Maybe this would be more fun? http://www.ebay.com/itm/W124-E500-M...ash=item1c7f29f680:g:YkYAAOSwax5YxEwJ&vxp=mtr

Yes that is the HWA i.e AMG E50 manifold, don't Think that was available for the E500 036. A couple of E50 heads, and youre home...

 

[x5x]

Re: E60 Differential

Maybe this would be more fun?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122392540800 <-- $2000 USD / OBO

W124 E500 M119 AMG Kit

Rare original parts W124 E500 LTD AMG version 1994-95. AMG engine inlet with advanced inlet and AMG sports camshafts with higher lift Cams M119 in excellent condition mileage 76000km.​

Seller ID = i_maniac

I have purchased this 'kit', I will be installing it on my E500 Limited. I also have the E60 AMG engine cover/filter box.

 

[gsxr]

Re: E60 Differential

I have purchased this 'kit', I will be installing it on my E500 Limited. I also have the E60 AMG engine cover/filter box.

Cool! Note that the upper intake manifold is not a direct bolt-on, as it lacks provision for EGR. I'm curious if you notice any difference compared to the stock camshafts.

 

[x5x]

Re: E60 Differential

Yes and no. Yes it may have been removed from a real AMG E60 vehicle, but no it was not original from Mercedes. AFAIK, no 124.036 left the factory with anything besides a 2.82 gear ratio. Someone had a 3.06 diff built and installed in whatever car this was removed from. The 3.06 ratio will slightly improve acceleration from a stop, although with a 6L it would mostly make the ASR light flash more frequently. MPG may drop a hair and top speed will be reduced as well. I'd recommend popping in a Quaife or WaveTrac limited-slip while you're at it... but that will double the cost.

I will report back when installed

I also want to rebuild the engine and bore out the cylinders to 100mm to make it 6.0, along with the M117 bits used in the E60 engine

Any other performance mods to suggest to make it perform as close to an E60 as possible, if not better?

 

[Taxi Driver]

Re: E60 Differential

Cool! Note that the upper intake manifold is not a direct bolt-on, as it lacks provision for EGR. I'm curious if you notice any difference compared to the stock camshafts.

The EGR delete I do not see as any negative change, to check how the fuel/crank case "regeneration Canal" matches up with the inlet gasket, thats where
it differs the most. After my HWA manifold port/polish job, I experienced a very high vacuum in the inlet and oil was extracted from the left side valve cover.
If that was due to the gasket mismatch to the manifold plane or intake ports, I don't know. The intake gaskets are not identical on 500E to the E50, the small holes do not match up, the difference is in the intake port reliefs, E50 to E500E. See image, E50 has smaller pockets than E500E heads, therefore diff. gasket.
I will take better comparison Pictures, inletports and gasket/intake manif.

 

[FU2]

Re: E60 Differential

that porting job was pooor.Who did that?:|

 

[Taxi Driver]

Re: E60 Differential

that porting job was pooor.Who did that?:|

Poor? AMG did not Think so, I guess. E50 119 980, they made just under 350 hp, should they have made what they did on the E60
maybe there would have been 10-15 hp more? True, they do not look as good as a surfaced/polished port but they are opened up
quite much compared to the OEM casting, HWA manifold, HWA cams, bigger inlet valves and 11 to 1 compression did enhance the 5liter...

 

[cargen]

Aren't they off of one of these? If so, you can have the entire engine for $2000...

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/mercedes-benz-w210-motor-e-50-amg/636509902-223-9191

Mercedes Benz W210 engine E 50 AMG
Price: 1.850 € VB

For sale is original Mercedes Benz W 210 E 50 AMG engine.
- the vehicle had nearly 200000 km but has got an ATM engine and has only about 60000km, WIRELESS CONTROLLER WITH ALL SENSORS 2 KEYWORDS WITH
ORIGINAL TACHO AMG I ALSO.
- Engine runs super on request Engine can be started.

HALLO TO ALL THE GEARBOX IS NOT IN THE PRICE.

- Shipping within Germany is 160 € free pick up.

I would like to answer any further questions you may have at 017672131140.​

 

[gsxr]

Aren't they off of one of these? If so, you can have the entire engine for $2000...

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/mercedes-benz-w210-motor-e-50-amg/636509902-223-9191

OMG. If that was in the USA, I'd be all over it...

 

[samiam44]

I'm not sure on the differences between HWA, but I did buy a valve for a E50AMG which is a M119.980- it is smaller diameter than M119.972. Bigger cams for sure. If you are building up a motor- you should consider lighter rods and possibly a lightening the crank.

I was under the impression that no porting was done via Renntech's brochures where they do port-matching.

I'd think what you are planning really depends on how you are going to drive it, how much, and $$ you are willing to spend. Are you going to run this in a W124.036 with LH-SFI?


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[x5x]

I'm not sure on the differences between HWA, but I did buy a valve for a E50AMG which is a M119.980- it is smaller diameter than M119.972. Bigger cams for sure. If you are building up a motor- you should consider lighter rods and possibly a lightening the crank.

I was under the impression that no porting was done via Renntech's brochures where they do port-matching.

I'd think what you are planning really depends on how you are going to drive it, how much, and $$ you are willing to spend. Are you going to run this in a W124.036 with LH-SFI?


M

I will most likely end up building up the engine... lighter rods and crank will definitely be on the list. Some Renntech parts would be nice, and some other AMG and M117 bits.

I am open to suggestions as I will not be doing the build in still some time to come (some time next year probably) so I have time to gather as much info as I can until the build.

As for driving, I will be driving it 'spiritedly', some city driving as well as open road. I will not be driving it too after, nor will I be killing the car when Indo take it for a drive, I've got BMW Ms for that [emoji28] this will be my car I hopefully keep forever, along side my BMW E31.

If anyone has anything to suggest on top of whats been discussed, I'd be grateful.

Thanks in advanced

 

[gsxr]

Re: E60 Differential

I also want to rebuild the engine and bore out the cylinders to 100mm to make it 6.0, along with the M117 bits used in the E60 engine

Any other performance mods to suggest to make it perform as close to an E60 as possible, if not better?

Converting to a full 6.0L engine is a major undertaking... the block, M117 crank, and rods all have to be modified (machined) along with the boring/etching the block and obtaining custom pistons/rings. The head gaskets alone are ~$1k USD each. If you can still find new/NOS camshafts they will probably be ~$5k USD/set. AMG port-matched the intake manifold and head ports; might have done minor porting on the heads too. Oh, the heads also had all 32 valve pockets machined deeper to prevent spring bind at the higher lift from the 6L cams.

If you can do the work yourself and have a competent machine shop locally, the cost may not be too bad. Otherwise, you might as well just contact Vath and have them build a 6L motor for you. A better option would be to buy a used 6L engine, or better yet a wrecked 6L car complete with engine, computer, etc. If the engine is in good shape it should only need an external re-seal and cleaning, and be plug+play to drop in. Remember that even after you get a complete 6L motor, you still need the 6L-specific LH module... if you need the LH module in the future, drop me a line.

The other E60 mods primarily consisted of AMG coil springs and dampers, and a 30mm front sway bar, most of which are NLA today. You may be able to find used or NOS bits but they may cost a small fortune. Or maybe aftermarket reproductions. The suspension mods are likely to be a less obvious difference; car sits ~10mm lower and is a bit firmer. It won't be as much of a "wow!" difference as the 6L motor.

EDIT: With 6L power, you'll probably want a brake upgrade too. If you have a 1994 model that already has the larger stock brakes, you'd need to bump up to 17" wheels to go with the Silver Arrows. Lots more info on brake upgrades if you search the forum.

 

[x5x]

Re: E60 Differential

Converting to a full 6.0L engine is a major undertaking... the block, M117 crank, and rods all have to be modified (machined) along with the boring/etching the block and obtaining custom pistons/rings. The head gaskets alone are ~$1k USD each. If you can still find new/NOS camshafts they will probably be ~$5k USD/set. AMG port-matched the intake manifold and head ports; might have done minor porting on the heads too. Oh, the heads also had all 32 valve pockets machined deeper to prevent spring bind at the higher lift from the 6L cams.

If you can do the work yourself and have a competent machine shop locally, the cost may not be too bad. Otherwise, you might as well just contact Vath and have them build a 6L motor for you. A better option would be to buy a used 6L engine, or better yet a wrecked 6L car complete with engine, computer, etc. If the engine is in good shape it should only need an external re-seal and cleaning, and be plug+play to drop in. Remember that even after you get a complete 6L motor, you still need the 6L-specific LH module... if you need the LH module in the future, drop me a line.

The other E60 mods primarily consisted of AMG coil springs and dampers, and a 30mm front sway bar, most of which are NLA today. You may be able to find used or NOS bits but they may cost a small fortune. Or maybe aftermarket reproductions. The suspension mods are likely to be a less obvious difference; car sits ~10mm lower and is a bit firmer. It won't be as much of a "wow!" difference as the 6L motor.

The issue is, where I'm from (Serbia) the engine and chassis have to be the same as they where from the factory, otherwise the car will no longer be fully 'legal' and you might/would have problems whenever crossing boarders into the EU, so I would like the engine number to remain the same. I was considering Väth, I will contact them and get a quote, but I presume that it would be in the 20k region...

As you know, I already have the AMG engine inlet with advanced inlet and AMG sports camshafts with higher lift Cams for E60. I also have the engine cover/filter box [emoji28] I will probably install these first along with a 3.06 diff, custom exhaust and FGS mod and see how I like it. Also read on the forum that someone will be reproducing front sway bars to match the Renntech and AMG ones, as well as a rear. Suspension wise, I think AMG is out of the question, just for the shocks the cheapest price I found was $3k+ used... I contacted my friend at Brabus to see if they have anything else available for the W124 (doubt they do unless you own a Brabus W124) but I will see. For now I'm considering koni yellow shocks and H&R springs, hopefully some AMG or Brabus suspension components pop up for a reasonable price.

 

[gsxr]

Ah, got it. Note the E50 cams are not identical to the E60. The LH-injection 6L cams are code #'s. 18, 19, 20, 21. The ME-injection 6L cams are 26, 27, 30, 31. The W210 E50 5L cams are #'s 26, 27, 28, 29. Translation - the late 6L shares the same exhaust cams as the 5L, but the late 6L has different intake cams. And the early LH 6L cams are different than the ME 6L cams. The E50 cams you have would probably be better than stock 5L cams if used in a 6L engine, but would not be ideal for a 6L build. Could be only a 10-20hp difference though, not the end of the world. And yep, Vath will probably quote €20k+.

The W124 AMG airbox is the same as stock other than the AMG logo. The W210 airbox is totally different and only fits the W210 chassis.

Be careful with H&R springs, they drop the car a LOT and you may or may not like how low it sits.

 

[x5x]

Ah, got it. Note the E50 cams are not identical to the E60. The LH-injection 6L cams are code #'s. 18, 19, 20, 21. The ME-injection 6L cams are 26, 27, 30, 31. The W210 E50 5L cams are #'s 26, 27, 28, 29. Translation - the late 6L shares the same exhaust cams as the 5L, but the late 6L has different intake cams. And the early LH 6L cams are different than the ME 6L cams. The E50 cams you have would probably be better than stock 5L cams if used in a 6L engine, but would not be ideal for a 6L build. Could be only a 10-20hp difference though, not the end of the world. And yep, Vath will probably quote €20k+.

The W124 AMG airbox is the same as stock other than the AMG logo. The W210 airbox is totally different and only fits the W210 chassis.

Be careful with H&R springs, they drop the car a LOT and you may or may not like how low it sits.

Thank you for all this very useful information!

Yes, I know the airbox is the same Do you think these E50 camshafts with the inlets I bought will make a noticeable difference to my stock M119?

I have had bad experiences with H&R springs in the past with my BMWs, so I guess they are now out of the question. Ideally, Brabus or AMG springs would be the best choice for me.

 

[gsxr]

Yes, I know the airbox is the same Do you think these E50 camshafts with the inlets I bought will make a noticeable difference to my stock M119?

That is a good question. I think if you also do port matching at the same time, there should be a noticeable improvement in top-end power... probably nothing at low RPM though. Wild guess would be 15-20hp gain? Maybe?

I have had bad experiences with H&R springs in the past with my BMWs, so I guess they are now out of the question. Ideally, Brabus or AMG springs would be the best choice for me.

AMG springs would be ideal. Brabus may be OK too (I don't know much about the Brabus springs). The H&R just put the car quite low, fine for racetrack use or smooth roads, but on bumpy roads it may not be fun.

 

[Taxi Driver]

That is a good question. I think if you also do port matching at the same time, there should be a noticeable improvement in top-end power... probably nothing at low RPM though. Wild guess would be 15-20hp gain? Maybe?



AMG springs would be ideal. Brabus may be OK too (I don't know much about the Brabus springs). The H&R just put the car quite low, fine for racetrack use or smooth roads, but on bumpy roads it may not be fun.

Are You not, forgetting one vital Point here? The E50 motor is of M119 980 origin ( I have also seen M119 985 ones or twice) what AMG did
on those was, 11 to 1 pistons 47mm inlet valves, porting and portmatch to the inlet, quite much, did construct that HWA manifold, bigger tracts
though not polished, only matched to the gasket/port. Cams offcourse, Another change was to the two separate downpipes better, maybe, cats.
and resonator/muffler. How much are you counting in, to this "easy" convertion?
Go all the way with a reprogrammed ECU and you will find the same difference as is betwen E500E to E50AMG, I can tell you, that you feel
to the seat of your pants and see on the road. It makes the 036 feel somewhat...more like a 400E.... sorry for that but I know.

 

[x5x]

Are You not, forgetting one vital Point here? The E50 motor is of M119 980 origin ( I have also seen M119 985 ones or twice) what AMG did
on those was, 11 to 1 pistons 47mm inlet valves, porting and portmatch to the inlet, quite much, did construct that HWA manifold, bigger tracts
though not polished, only matched to the gasket/port. Cams offcourse, Another change was to the two separate downpipes better, maybe, cats.
and resonator/muffler. How much are you counting in, to this "easy" convertion?
Go all the way with a reprogrammed ECU and you will find the same difference as is betwen E500E to E50AMG, I can tell you, that you feel
to the seat of your pants and see on the road. It makes the 036 feel somewhat...more like a 400E.... sorry for that but I know.

So with the E50 camshaft and inlet on my 036 M119 E500 it will feel lees powerful? Or am I not understanding something..?

 

[Taxi Driver]

So with the E50 camshaft and inlet on my 036 M119 E500 it will feel lees powerful? Or am I not understanding something..?

Nor do I. Only cams and inlet, thats not enough, I can not explain more, you have to follow ut the threads on this subject, it's all here on the forum.

 

[x5x]

Nor do I. Only cams and inlet, thats not enough, I can not explain more, you have to follow ut the threads on this subject, it's all here on the forum.

So you happen to have a link to the correct thread?

Thank you

 

[Christian_K]

I can tell you, that you feel to the seat of your pants and see on the road. It makes the 036 feel somewhat...more like a 400E.... sorry for that but I know.

Yes i also assume the E50 is maybe under rated some...? What i wonder most and what defy physics is that it does not have more torque on paper, but only more HP than a standard 500E. HP is Torque multiplied by RPM and some other fixed numbers.
When they were both newer, the E50AMG and E55AMG in the W210 chassis were equally quick, the E50AMG even a bit quicker the higher the speed got Around 250KPH a few car lengths IIRC. Yet still the E55 supposedly has much more Torque... I wonder....

 

[gsxr]

It's my understanding the E50 W210 engine primarily has more top-end power compared to the E500E stock engine, due to the revised cams and mods done to intake etc. I'd expect the bottom end torque curve to be similar, maybe even a tad less on the E50 but the lower gearing in the W210 (3.06 ratio and 5-speed trans) would compensate somewhat.

The E55 should make more low-end torque due to the larger displacement.

 

[Taxi Driver]

The E55 should make more low-end torque due to the larger displacement.

Right and wrong, the E55 has a bit more low down torque due to mostly its bigger stroke. Remember, AMG had to go up to 5.4l just to get on par
with the E50. Also to use that thrust they Went 2.82 ratio. I Think it is sad MB did not stay with the M119 and did the 5.6 we talk about from time to time...

 

[Taxi Driver]

Yes i also assume the E50 is maybe under rated some...? What i wonder most and what defy physics is that it does not have more torque on paper, but only more HP than a standard 500E. HP is Torque multiplied by RPM and some other fixed numbers.
When they were both newer, the E50AMG and E55AMG in the W210 chassis were equally quick, the E50AMG even a bit quicker the higher the speed got Around 250KPH a few car lengths IIRC. Yet still the E55 supposedly has much more Torque... I wonder....

Right, Christian, considering the higher comp. ratio, it should give some more torque...and the very much bettered exhaust wich should give a good
opportunity to get more hp by programming up the revs to say 6700rpm?

 

[Taxi Driver]

Are You not, forgetting one vital Point here? The E50 motor is of M119 980 origin ( I have also seen M119 985 ones or twice) what AMG did
on those was, 11 to 1 pistons 47mm inlet valves, porting and portmatch to the inlet, quite much, did construct that HWA manifold, bigger tracts
though not polished, only matched to the gasket/port. Cams offcourse, Another change was to the two separate downpipes better, maybe, cats.
and resonator/muffler. How much are you counting in, to this "easy" convertion?
Go all the way with a reprogrammed ECU and you will find the same difference as is betwen E500E to E50AMG, I can tell you, that you feel
to the seat of your pants and see on the road. It makes the 036 feel somewhat...more like a 400E.... sorry for that but I know.

Well, I Think I have to "claryfie" my Point here. The E50 compared with the 036 is almost as the step down to the 034 compared with the E500E
So, if done correctly, converting the 500ed to E50 spec. you surely would find yourself, half way to E60 territory, imo.

 

[x5x]

Well, I Think I have to "claryfie" my Point here. The E50 compared with the 036 is almost as the step down to the 034 compared with the E500E
So, if done correctly, converting the 500ed to E50 spec. you surely would find yourself, half way to E60 territory, imo.

Yes, but it will still be an improvement from stock which is what I'm after. Later I will do a 6.0 conversion with appropriate cams (I suppose) and inlet. Just looking where to have it done in Europe

 

[Taxi Driver]

Costeffective I say, if you make your 500ed on par with the E50, I Think you would be satisfied with that.

The E60LH convertion will set you back minimum, 10 000€ maybe 15 000€ depending on source....

 

[x5x]

Costeffective I say, if you make your 500ed on par with the E50, I Think you would be satisfied with that.

The E60LH convertion will set you back minimum, 10 000€ maybe 15 000€ depending on source....

What else do I need in terms of parts to match the E50?

Thanks for the info btw!

 

[500AMM]

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AMG springs would be ideal. Brabus may be OK too (I don't know much about the Brabus springs). The H&R just put the car quite low, fine for racetrack use or smooth roads, but on bumpy roads it may not be fun.

Thank you for all this very useful information!

Yes, I know the airbox is the same Do you think these E50 camshafts with the inlets I bought will make a noticeable difference to my stock M119?

I have had bad experiences with H&R springs in the past with my BMWs, so I guess they are now out of the question. Ideally, Brabus or AMG springs would be the best choice for me.

I have a set of new Brabus springs on my '92 and H&R on the Limited. The Brabus springs has sit on the car for some years so they have settled, but the car hasn't been driven much so I haven't done any comparison against the Limited with H&R.

Based on the specification are Brabus and H&R pretty much equal. It is minor differences, but with some give & take here & there, they theoretically sum up with quite similar characteristics. I've posted some calcs in post #61 in this thread:
http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3067

 

[Taxi Driver]

Exactly what I have on the 500E 6liter OEM shocks up front, OEM or soon AMG sls shocks on the rear. I Stick to the SACHS OEM, because
they do have the rebound spring in them, I do not Think there is any better if youre not wanting a hard discomfort ride, a' la track racing.

About the springs E50, I guess you could use the rear ones, front E50 suspension is different and may not fit that well...

 

[x5x]

Exactly what I have on the 500E 6liter OEM shocks up front, OEM or soon AMG sls shocks on the rear. I Stick to the SACHS OEM, because
they do have the rebound spring in them, I do not Think there is any better if youre not wanting a hard discomfort ride, a' la track racing.

About the springs E50, I guess you could use the rear ones, front E50 suspension is different and may not fit that well...

I have found a used set of E60 springs, but not sure about the condition... I will see. I am also not sure which shocks to go with, I was thinking maybe koni adjustables on the softest settings wouldn't be a bad set up, maybe with H&R springs if I don't get the AMG ones. Thoughts?

 

[x5x]

I have a set of new Brabus springs on my '92 and H&R on the Limited. The Brabus springs has sit on the car for some years so they have settled, but the car hasn't been driven much so I haven't done any comparison against the Limited with H&R.

Based on the specification are Brabus and H&R pretty much equal. It is minor differences, but with some give & take here & there, they theoretically sum up with quite similar characteristics. I've posted some calcs in post #61 in this thread:
http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3067

Nice! Will you be selling the brabus springs?

 

[gsxr]

I have found a used set of E60 springs, but not sure about the condition... I will see. I am also not sure which shocks to go with, I was thinking maybe koni adjustables on the softest settings wouldn't be a bad set up, maybe with H&R springs if I don't get the AMG ones. Thoughts?

I'd go with the used AMG E60 springs unless they were in poor condition or damaged. Springs really don't "wear out".

If you want a firmer ride, try Bilstein Sport or KONI up front, and leave the rear stock (assuming you cannot locate AMG E60 dampers).

 

[x5x]

I'd go with the used AMG E60 springs unless they were in poor condition or damaged. Springs really don't "wear out".

If you want a firmer ride, try Bilstein Sport or KONI up front, and leave the rear stock (assuming you cannot locate AMG E60 dampers).

Ok, I will buy them and see what they look like. If anything I can sell them again for the same amount.

I saw that Koni only do fronts, I presume because of the SLS? I will be looking for AMG or brabus rear shocks then.

I also found a new E60 front sway bar reproduced by Eibach. Should be a good setup.

 

[Taxi Driver]

What's wrong with the 500E oem shocks? It's hard to fit any better, I have yellow KONI adj. front on the 400E, adj springs sat low.
Hard low track feel nice at times on good roads, the 500 setup comfortable and safe feel, very good roadholding.
I guess many ignore the ,,rebound spring,, wich is unique to the OEM MB shock. Those shocks are composed for the 500ed.
The Brabus springs may be equivalent to the AMG, I belive they lower 1" Remember to adjust with suitable rubber rings.

 

[gsxr]

What's wrong with the 500E oem shocks? It's hard to fit any better, I have yellow KONI adj. front on the 400E, adj springs sat low.
Hard low track feel nice at times on good roads, the 500 setup comfortable and safe feel, very good roadholding.

The OE/dealer struts are excellent, but are a compromise between performance and comfort. Some people may want firmer damping for race / autocross use. I generally prefer the OE struts with stock springs. (I'd love a full AMG setup but even if you can find a set, the price is insane today.)

I guess many ignore the ,,rebound spring,, wich is unique to the OEM MB shock. Those shocks are composed for the 500e

Yes, the rebound spring was unique at the time... it was later used in R129 struts, and in some AMG shock absorbers (the W210 E55 AMG, for example).

The internal rebound extension limiting spring is tuned to a specific ride height. If you lower the vehicle with shorter springs, the internal strut spring is less effective. This is at least partly why there are special AMG dampers to match the AMG springs; they are a matched set. And, it's a good reason to avoid excessive lowering with stock dampers.

 

[x5x]

Yes, the rebound spring was unique at the time... it was later used in R129 struts, and in some AMG shock absorbers (the W210 E55 AMG, for example).

The internal rebound extension limiting spring is tuned to a specific ride height. If you lower the vehicle with shorter springs, the internal strut spring is less effective. This is at least partly why there are special AMG dampers to match the AMG springs; they are a matched set. And, it's a good reason to avoid excessive lowering with stock dampers.

What about using E60 AMG springs with stock dampers?

 

[gsxr]

What about using E60 AMG springs with stock dampers?

That will work fine, but since the car sits a bit lower on AMG springs, you won't get the full effect of the springs inside the dampers. If you're not concerned about lowering the car and primarily want the firmer springs, you could use thicker spring pads.

 

[Klink]

FYI trivia, the extension/anti-roll springs were used to great effect in the 140. Every suspension version of the 140 used the rebound springs...

 

[x5x]

Can anyone confirm that these are the correct part numbers for the AMG springs that supposedly came off of a 1994 E60 limited?

001 124 322
002 124 321

I have read on the UK forums that these are the correct numbers.

Thanks in advance [emoji1303]


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[jnes]

This is a bit OT for cam and intake upgrade discussion..
Here are the complete E60 shock/spring set part numbers according to EPC:

HWA 124 324 04 04
HWA 124 320 03 13
HWA 124 321 04 04
HWA 124 323 01 65
HWA 124 320 15 30

They are NLA from the dealer, AMG motorsport division might have still parts for sale. Unfortunately they don't sell for private customers. You have to have racing team etc.
I've also tried to contact with Sachs which manufactured AMG shocks but never got any response of availability.

Regards,
Joonas

 

[deklamator]

e60 springs and shocks

 

[Christian_K]

FYI trivia, the extension/anti-roll springs were used to great effect in the 140. Every suspension version of the 140 used the rebound springs...

Ohh yes, on my Ex C140, i replaced all 4 shocks and the rear springs with new ones... That ride was like on a flying carpet, like on air. Much softer feeling than any air suspension of W211/W220 i know of - yet still a fully conventional suspension. Never felt such a soft ride any time again so far... However i havent driven any of the newer S-classes like W222/V222....