+1......would it be a nightmare to import and title this in the us?
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Importing, titling, registering a non-US car in USA
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+1......would it be a nightmare to import and title this in the us?
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Right now, yes. When it's 25 years old, not so much.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Just read a good jalopnik article that basically said same thing......good coverage of the topic here:
http://jalopnik.com/here-are-the-four-legal-ways-to-import-a-car-to-the-uni-1682067632
ADMIN EDIT: Here's the money quote:
Just read a good jalopnik article that basically said same thing......good coverage of the topic here:
http://jalopnik.com/here-are-the-four-legal-ways-to-import-a-car-to-the-uni-1682067632
ADMIN EDIT: Here's the money quote:
"Here’s the crazy thing about all these regulations. After all the words I’ve written above; after all the EPA restrictions, and DOT regulations, and crash tests, and bumper strength laws; after all the rules and guidelines and mileage limits; after all that … the day a car turns 25 years old, it’s legal to import, with no restrictions at all.
And I mean 25 years old. And I mean no restrictions.
Seriously: if a car is 24 years and 11 months old, you’d better bring it into compliance or else risk it getting crushed into a cube the size of a surge protector. But the moment it turns 25 years old, anything goes."
And I mean 25 years old. And I mean no restrictions.
Seriously: if a car is 24 years and 11 months old, you’d better bring it into compliance or else risk it getting crushed into a cube the size of a surge protector. But the moment it turns 25 years old, anything goes."
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
What?
Right now, yes. When it's 25 years old, not so much.
What?
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Nice find Dave. To bad we are not "CANUCKS" although your pretty close. It might work for you.
Dave,
Find something on THIS SIDE of the BORDER!!!
I'll look kind of dumb driving around in that E60 wagon when I am in my 80s.
Maybe I could use it for a "Hearse" at my funeral.
Have a NICE DAY
Nice find Dave. To bad we are not "CANUCKS" although your pretty close. It might work for you.
Dave,
Find something on THIS SIDE of the BORDER!!!
I'll look kind of dumb driving around in that E60 wagon when I am in my 80s.
Maybe I could use it for a "Hearse" at my funeral.
Have a NICE DAY
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Lest we forget, it was Mercedes that lobbied the government to get the 25 year rule. (Klink, GSXR, others, am I wrong about this?) So when you see a nice car across the border that you want but can't get without a lot of hassle and expense, shake your fist at the folks in Stuttgart.
Lest we forget, it was Mercedes that lobbied the government to get the 25 year rule. (Klink, GSXR, others, am I wrong about this?) So when you see a nice car across the border that you want but can't get without a lot of hassle and expense, shake your fist at the folks in Stuttgart.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I am not an expert on this but, IIRC, your facts may be correct, it is your context that may(?) be wrong. The story I had heard is that they were fighting "for" the 25 year rule. What I had heard was that there was only one other possible ruling up for consideration, and that was that the cars NEVER be eligible for legal import for street use. I don't "know" this from anything, it was just things that I had heard in conversation. If anyone out there is an expert on this, it would be interesting to know, not that I blame anyone ever for using every legal resource at their disposal to protect their business. When the government runs everything, this is what you get, and I think it's actually what you deserve when it's what your political actions continually support...
I am not an expert on this but, IIRC, your facts may be correct, it is your context that may(?) be wrong. The story I had heard is that they were fighting "for" the 25 year rule. What I had heard was that there was only one other possible ruling up for consideration, and that was that the cars NEVER be eligible for legal import for street use. I don't "know" this from anything, it was just things that I had heard in conversation. If anyone out there is an expert on this, it would be interesting to know, not that I blame anyone ever for using every legal resource at their disposal to protect their business. When the government runs everything, this is what you get, and I think it's actually what you deserve when it's what your political actions continually support...
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
The nightmare is getting it INTO the US. The rest, not so much of a nightmare.
The nightmare is getting it INTO the US. The rest, not so much of a nightmare.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
You can import anything you want, but the cost to import may exceed the value of the vehicle. Depends how badly you want it! This has been discussed previously, I believe Rik (2phast) had some good information. My vague recollection is that it would likely be $10-$20k to import something newer than 25 years. So sure, you could buy the E60 estate from Canada, just add the extra fees to get it across the border and titled.
Keyword being "titled".... answer is "yes". Or more accurately, the answer is "do you have a blank check?".
You can import anything you want, but the cost to import may exceed the value of the vehicle. Depends how badly you want it! This has been discussed previously, I believe Rik (2phast) had some good information. My vague recollection is that it would likely be $10-$20k to import something newer than 25 years. So sure, you could buy the E60 estate from Canada, just add the extra fees to get it across the border and titled.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Get a Canuck to drive the e60 across the border for you "on vacation". Buy a pedestrian w210 wagon here in the states. Remove front plate from e320. Place plate on rear of e60. Buy high def vinyl sticker printer and set to 300dpi. Print decals to overlay on door jambs and a couple other easily accessible factory vin stickers. You get a daily driver 320 that passes smog no problem, and hide it on the weekends when you take out his more well-endowed twin. Plus you only have to insure one of them.
Get a Canuck to drive the e60 across the border for you "on vacation". Buy a pedestrian w210 wagon here in the states. Remove front plate from e320. Place plate on rear of e60. Buy high def vinyl sticker printer and set to 300dpi. Print decals to overlay on door jambs and a couple other easily accessible factory vin stickers. You get a daily driver 320 that passes smog no problem, and hide it on the weekends when you take out his more well-endowed twin. Plus you only have to insure one of them.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Pure evil genius. I love it!!Get a Canuck to drive the e60 across the border for you "on vacation". Buy a pedestrian w210 wagon here in the states. Remove front plate from e320. Place plate on rear of e60. Buy high def vinyl sticker printer and set to 300dpi. Print decals to overlay on door jambs and a couple other easily accessible factory vin stickers. You get a daily driver 320 that passes smog no problem, and hide it on the weekends when you take out his more well-endowed twin. Plus you only have to insure one of them.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I can't be the only one who's thought of this on this board, can I? Am I really that conniving? It's popped into my head more than once when limiteds come up for sale in the great white north.
I can't be the only one who's thought of this on this board, can I? Am I really that conniving? It's popped into my head more than once when limiteds come up for sale in the great white north.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I had a friend (now passed) that bought a BMW M1 from New York. Drove it across the country to SoCal. Got a ticket in Ohio for doing 140mph.
Anyway it could not be registered in CA.
He drove it with CA Plates of an old Toyota Corolla he had.
It could be done. Don't get caught because it will probably end up in the CRUSHER!!!
Terry
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I had a friend (now passed) that bought a BMW M1 from New York. Drove it across the country to SoCal. Got a ticket in Ohio for doing 140mph.
Anyway it could not be registered in CA.
He drove it with CA Plates of an old Toyota Corolla he had.
It could be done. Don't get caught because it will probably end up in the CRUSHER!!!
Terry
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Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
There are a few different title recovery places that MAY be able to obtain a title for a gray-market car... however, you'd have to contact them and inquire. Their fine print excludes "non-conforming VIN's" which may mean gray market. They also exclude anything with a salvage title.
Here's a few:
http://www.its-titles.com/
http://www.getnewtitle.com/
http://www.broadwaytitle.com/
There are a few different title recovery places that MAY be able to obtain a title for a gray-market car... however, you'd have to contact them and inquire. Their fine print excludes "non-conforming VIN's" which may mean gray market. They also exclude anything with a salvage title.
Here's a few:
http://www.its-titles.com/
http://www.getnewtitle.com/
http://www.broadwaytitle.com/
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I looked into this about 7 years ago... here's my notes from 2009, some of which may have changed since then:
"I looked up the ITS place in Nevada, and found some info on the web. Seems they get the car registered in Maine, then provide you with registration (and plates!) from Maine. This works because Maine does not require titles for cars older than 15 years - interesting. I called them, and the guy wasn't sure about the Euro VIN. He had me fax him some information, he's going to check and see if it will work. "
"If you have (cooperative!) relatives in Maine, or any other New England state which doesn't require titles for older vehicles - that's the loophole. Apparently several states have similar laws. You may still be required to provide a notarized bill of sale. I got an answer from Broadway, they said they could get a title for [a gray market] car, but the catch was the car had to actually go to New Hampshire for an in-person DMV VIN inspection."
I looked into this about 7 years ago... here's my notes from 2009, some of which may have changed since then:
"I looked up the ITS place in Nevada, and found some info on the web. Seems they get the car registered in Maine, then provide you with registration (and plates!) from Maine. This works because Maine does not require titles for cars older than 15 years - interesting. I called them, and the guy wasn't sure about the Euro VIN. He had me fax him some information, he's going to check and see if it will work. "
"If you have (cooperative!) relatives in Maine, or any other New England state which doesn't require titles for older vehicles - that's the loophole. Apparently several states have similar laws. You may still be required to provide a notarized bill of sale. I got an answer from Broadway, they said they could get a title for [a gray market] car, but the catch was the car had to actually go to New Hampshire for an in-person DMV VIN inspection."
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Looking through my records on the E60, I found the copy of the invoice dated 7/23/03 with a total of $14,378.12
some of the big items listed
Conversion cost $7,965.00
Entry fees $5,082.82
Not an inexpensive road, but my E60 is legally Titled in CA
Jeff
Keyword being "titled".... answer is "yes". Or more accurately, the answer is "do you have a blank check?".
You can import anything you want, but the cost to import may exceed the value of the vehicle. Depends how badly you want it! This has been discussed previously, I believe Rik (2phast) had some good information. My vague recollection is that it would likely be $10-$20k to import something newer than 25 years. So sure, you could buy the E60 estate from Canada, just add the extra fees to get it across the border and titled.
Looking through my records on the E60, I found the copy of the invoice dated 7/23/03 with a total of $14,378.12
some of the big items listed
Conversion cost $7,965.00
Entry fees $5,082.82
Not an inexpensive road, but my E60 is legally Titled in CA
Jeff
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
You don't need to register any car or get a tag for it for that matter, unless its used for commercial purposes
You don't need to register any car or get a tag for it for that matter, unless its used for commercial purposes
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
In theory, you are correct. But in practice, that's very difficult to get away with.
In theory, you are correct. But in practice, that's very difficult to get away with.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Very easy to get remedy
Very easy to get remedy
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
To be clear, are you talking about "right to travel"? If so, do you practice this yourself? If not, let's not veer too far off topic on this. If so, maybe we can cleave this off into its own thread so you can share your experience.
To be clear, are you talking about "right to travel"? If so, do you practice this yourself? If not, let's not veer too far off topic on this. If so, maybe we can cleave this off into its own thread so you can share your experience.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Yes, I do and yes it can be done. And if it is violated by a police officer, the officer can be sued personally.
Yes, I do and yes it can be done. And if it is violated by a police officer, the officer can be sued personally.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I just googled it and it's kind of fascinating to me, if you are an active practitioner of this, when you have time could you start a separate thread giving a brief overview for those of us less informed, degree to which you practice and what your experiences have been? (e.g. Do you choose not to have insurance?......I would imagine insurance companies won't provide it to someone without a license and on an unregistered vehicle)
Thanks
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I just googled it and it's kind of fascinating to me, if you are an active practitioner of this, when you have time could you start a separate thread giving a brief overview for those of us less informed, degree to which you practice and what your experiences have been? (e.g. Do you choose not to have insurance?......I would imagine insurance companies won't provide it to someone without a license and on an unregistered vehicle)
Thanks
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Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I suspect this will vary depending which state you are in. Very likely some states could legally impound your car on the spot if you have no registration / plates / title. Especially if the car in question is a gray market import that was not legally imported with full EPA/DOT documentation.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Yes, I do not have insurance, it is not required. Financial responsibility is required. I have a bond. Insurance is for a automobile not a motor vehicle.
Yes, I do not have insurance, it is not required. Financial responsibility is required. I have a bond. Insurance is for a automobile not a motor vehicle.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
If you have "certificate of title" you are not the owner, so yes the car could be towed. And legal and lawful and not the same
If you have "certificate of title" you are not the owner, so yes the car could be towed. And legal and lawful and not the same
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance_in_the_United_States
https://coverhound.com/blog/post/why-is-car-insurance-mandatory
However, that is not the point here. Insuring a gray-market car shouldn't be a problem. It's the importing / titling / registering.
Might wanna do some reading before anyone tries driving without insurance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance_in_the_United_States
https://coverhound.com/blog/post/why-is-car-insurance-mandatory
However, that is not the point here. Insuring a gray-market car shouldn't be a problem. It's the importing / titling / registering.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Dave, the United States of America and the UNITED STATES are not the same thing.
Dave, the United States of America and the UNITED STATES are not the same thing.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Here is Idaho for you Dave
TITLE 49
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 12
MOTOR VEHICLE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY
http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title49/T49CH12SECT49-1224.htm
Here is Idaho for you Dave
TITLE 49
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 12
MOTOR VEHICLE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY
http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title49/T49CH12SECT49-1224.htm
TITLE 49
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 12
MOTOR VEHICLE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY
49-1224. SELF-INSURERS.
(1) Any person in whose name more than twenty-five (25) motor vehicles are registered and titled in Idaho, or engaged in the operation of a railroad, street railway system or public utility subject to the regulation of the public utilities commission irrespective of the number of vehicles registered, may qualify as a self-insurer by obtaining a certificate of self-insurance issued by the department.
(2) The department may, in its discretion, issue a certificate of self-insurance and certificate of liability insurance in a form as the department prescribes when the department is satisfied that the person is possessed and will continue to be possessed of ability to pay judgments obtained against that person upon application, and providing a statement by a certified public accountant attesting the applicant's net worth is five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000), a list of vehicles and an application fee of seventy dollars ($70.00) which shall be deposited in the state highway account.
(3) The self-insurer will be required to submit an annual financial statement showing net worth of five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000), a list of vehicles and a seventy dollar ($70.00) issue fee to be deposited in the state highway account.
(4) Upon not less than five (5) days' notice and a hearing pursuant to the notice, the department may upon reasonable grounds cancel a certificate of self-insurance. Failure to pay any judgment within thirty (30) days after a judgment shall have become final shall constitute a reasonable ground for the cancellation of a certificate of self-insurance.
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 12
MOTOR VEHICLE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY
49-1224. SELF-INSURERS.
(1) Any person in whose name more than twenty-five (25) motor vehicles are registered and titled in Idaho, or engaged in the operation of a railroad, street railway system or public utility subject to the regulation of the public utilities commission irrespective of the number of vehicles registered, may qualify as a self-insurer by obtaining a certificate of self-insurance issued by the department.
(2) The department may, in its discretion, issue a certificate of self-insurance and certificate of liability insurance in a form as the department prescribes when the department is satisfied that the person is possessed and will continue to be possessed of ability to pay judgments obtained against that person upon application, and providing a statement by a certified public accountant attesting the applicant's net worth is five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000), a list of vehicles and an application fee of seventy dollars ($70.00) which shall be deposited in the state highway account.
(3) The self-insurer will be required to submit an annual financial statement showing net worth of five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000), a list of vehicles and a seventy dollar ($70.00) issue fee to be deposited in the state highway account.
(4) Upon not less than five (5) days' notice and a hearing pursuant to the notice, the department may upon reasonable grounds cancel a certificate of self-insurance. Failure to pay any judgment within thirty (30) days after a judgment shall have become final shall constitute a reasonable ground for the cancellation of a certificate of self-insurance.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
Yes, that is pretty clear... you can self-insure, but you still need insurance. Otherwise you can be cited for not carrying proof of insurance.
Again, this has nothing to do with importing / titling / registering a gray market car.
Yes, that is pretty clear... you can self-insure, but you still need insurance. Otherwise you can be cited for not carrying proof of insurance.
Again, this has nothing to do with importing / titling / registering a gray market car.
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
All to do with it. The UNITED STATES is the district of Columbia,Puerto Rico, Guam and the Northern Mariana islands. A privately owned, foreign corporation
All to do with it. The UNITED STATES is the district of Columbia,Puerto Rico, Guam and the Northern Mariana islands. A privately owned, foreign corporation
Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I'm not a lawyer, but from my quick reading the principals of right to drive folks in pointing out the conflict of a state's right to force registration/licensing/insurance etc vs pretty explicit constitutional case law that would invalidate those state requirements seems logical.....and then further the constitution proclaiming that it shall be the highest for rule of law in the land and supersede disagreements with local code makes logical sense to me (not that I would risk getting my ride crushed to see if it works)
I'm curious what experiences someone who has the cajones to actually practice this and take the risk has had with fighting and "beating" these state requirements in real life vs just the conceptual legal argument of why these state requirements are invalid and unconstitutional
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I'm not a lawyer, but from my quick reading the principals of right to drive folks in pointing out the conflict of a state's right to force registration/licensing/insurance etc vs pretty explicit constitutional case law that would invalidate those state requirements seems logical.....and then further the constitution proclaiming that it shall be the highest for rule of law in the land and supersede disagreements with local code makes logical sense to me (not that I would risk getting my ride crushed to see if it works)
I'm curious what experiences someone who has the cajones to actually practice this and take the risk has had with fighting and "beating" these state requirements in real life vs just the conceptual legal argument of why these state requirements are invalid and unconstitutional
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Re: FS: 1997 E60 AMG wagon (W210), Silver/Black, 158kkm, $38k CDN (New Westminster, BC, Canada)
I didnt mean to thread jack, but this is very fascinating to me.....so if I were to have the courage to live by this creed, how does customs let an "unregisterable" car actually get across the boarder without seizing it on the spot
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I didnt mean to thread jack, but this is very fascinating to me.....so if I were to have the courage to live by this creed, how does customs let an "unregisterable" car actually get across the boarder without seizing it on the spot
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The state can't force you to do anything it has to be done by consent. And law of the land is not the same as law of the sea. The UNITED STATES operates under law of the sea, maritime law. Its not fighting them or beating them its finding remedy.
Got it - so long as you have your affidavit of truth and your birth certificate on you, a cop can do nothing but let you go after he pulls Are they all knowledgable in this from their training.....have you been pulled given them this and just been let go?
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Negative. There is many ways to remedy if you have "certificate of title" or the car is registered you are not the owner. When you get pulled over a cop will ask for you dl and registration. The dl to see if you are contracted with them and the registration to see if its their vehicle. Do not ever show a cop your dl you are not required to and it says right on it, it belongs to the state.
The state can only deal with the dead that is why judges wear black or you receive a "summons" for court
So have you been stopped on multiple occasions throughout your life? (Would imagine that would often happen if you didn't have a tag) and simply been let go?
I'm curious because it seems like the only way to ultimately win this if your state "saw it differently", or maybe you had a "dumb" cop who took you in would be to get your day in court and ultimately your appeal heard by the federal court since that's the law this practice relies on to supersede state laws, but it does seem likely that the Supreme Court would simply never hear your case (seems like they haven't heard a case specifically on his topic, and the theory is using logic from other cases to apply here.....thought this interpretation interesting http://pseudolaw.com/right-to-travel-united-states
States may be different, but to your point about license saying I don't have to show it, looking at my nc license there is nothin anywhere on it giving any specificity to it being private, confidential, etc that would imply I have a stated right to not show it to a cop.....the front is simply my info, the back only says "class c any non commercial vehicle with a gvwr of less than 26,001 pounds. A vehicle towing a vehicle which has a gvwr of less than 26,001 pounds operated by a driver 18 years or older
Restrictions: none
Endorsements: none"
this is an interesting topic for me for some reason even though I'm not an attorney (lots of aspects of my job I guess involve legal interpretations that have very material ramifications depending on the legal read so maybe that's why in interested)......my old man has been the DA for nearly 40yrs in a small VA town where I am from, will ask him if he he ever come across this or heard about it in state level cases"
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I'm curious because it seems like the only way to ultimately win this if your state "saw it differently", or maybe you had a "dumb" cop who took you in would be to get your day in court and ultimately your appeal heard by the federal court since that's the law this practice relies on to supersede state laws, but it does seem likely that the Supreme Court would simply never hear your case (seems like they haven't heard a case specifically on his topic, and the theory is using logic from other cases to apply here.....thought this interpretation interesting http://pseudolaw.com/right-to-travel-united-states
States may be different, but to your point about license saying I don't have to show it, looking at my nc license there is nothin anywhere on it giving any specificity to it being private, confidential, etc that would imply I have a stated right to not show it to a cop.....the front is simply my info, the back only says "class c any non commercial vehicle with a gvwr of less than 26,001 pounds. A vehicle towing a vehicle which has a gvwr of less than 26,001 pounds operated by a driver 18 years or older
Restrictions: none
Endorsements: none"
this is an interesting topic for me for some reason even though I'm not an attorney (lots of aspects of my job I guess involve legal interpretations that have very material ramifications depending on the legal read so maybe that's why in interested)......my old man has been the DA for nearly 40yrs in a small VA town where I am from, will ask him if he he ever come across this or heard about it in state level cases"
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Usually on the back of the license it will state it is property of the state issued. A state statute will read "must" or "shall" both are forwarding looking statements. Look them up in a black's law dictionary. You have to consent to do things. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The state operates in receivership so they need to access your bond by your signature. I chose a stealthy path and registered my car a non commercial.
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The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a "safe harbor" for certain forward-looking statements. Businesses usually include a form of a disclaimer that states that any instance of a forward-looking statement found in their material is only true at the time it was written, and they further claim that they are under no obligation to update such written statements if conditions change or that unexpected occurrences happen to affect the statement afterwards. Such forward-looking statements, however, must be identifiable by the use of certain prescribed words. This act allows companies to make speculative statements based on current market trends or research directions without fear of major repercussion, while ensuring that potential investors are informed of the speculative nature of the statements.
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Sentences and phrases are forward-looking statements when they include any tense from present to future or similar inflection. Words like "believe", "estimate", "anticipate", "plan", "predict", "may", "hope", "can", "will", "should", "expect", "intend", "is designed to", "with the intent", "potential", the negative of these words or such other variations thereon or comparable terminology, may indicate forward-looking statements, but their absence does not mean that a statement is not forward-looking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-looking_statement
Your license isn't private it public, that is why I wouldn't show it, plus its the states instrument. Private is a upper case lower case name, public is all capital
United States law
Under U.S. law, section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, businesses must comply to standards of communication that limit risk factors. These acts were put into place partially to protect investors from ambiguous language, preventing them from making a poorly informed investment decision based on speculative statements.
The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a "safe harbor" for certain forward-looking statements. Businesses usually include a form of a disclaimer that states that any instance of a forward-looking statement found in their material is only true at the time it was written, and they further claim that they are under no obligation to update such written statements if conditions change or that unexpected occurrences happen to affect the statement afterwards. Such forward-looking statements, however, must be identifiable by the use of certain prescribed words. This act allows companies to make speculative statements based on current market trends or research directions without fear of major repercussion, while ensuring that potential investors are informed of the speculative nature of the statements.
Linguistic perspective
Sentences and phrases are forward-looking statements when they include any tense from present to future or similar inflection. Words like "believe", "estimate", "anticipate", "plan", "predict", "may", "hope", "can", "will", "should", "expect", "intend", "is designed to", "with the intent", "potential", the negative of these words or such other variations thereon or comparable terminology, may indicate forward-looking statements, but their absence does not mean that a statement is not forward-looking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-looking_statement
Your license isn't private it public, that is why I wouldn't show it, plus its the states instrument. Private is a upper case lower case name, public is all capital
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I deal with 33 and 34 act stuff everyday in my job, and I'm confused how do the sec laws for businesses offering registered securities (note not 144a issuances in all respects) which relate primarily to statements of full and accurate disclosure which are meant to make sure companies offering securities and raising capital dont make misleading statements to investors in their offering prospectus and that the investment banks facilitating the offerings aren't manipulating secondary trading levels .......how does any of that have anything to do with the principals at work here for not needing to register a vehicle or get a DL
Just like you, all of us register our cars as non-commercial as well if it's just personal use. Did I miss something? I thought you were in the camp that states have zero right to force us to register and back to original point that I could go across the boarder and easily buy the
W210 e60 estate and not worry about all the roadblocks because I just can easily "ignore" these pesky titling laws, which I thought was what you do....if you registered your vehicles and have a DL then what exactly are you exercising under "right to drive"
BTW, I know it can be difficult to tell "tone" in writing but I am in no way trying to argue or be confrontational, I'm just very curious and a bit lost in trying to follow the logic of why all of this would work.....good conversation (at least to me) so thanks for indulging my curiosity
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Just like you, all of us register our cars as non-commercial as well if it's just personal use. Did I miss something? I thought you were in the camp that states have zero right to force us to register and back to original point that I could go across the boarder and easily buy the
W210 e60 estate and not worry about all the roadblocks because I just can easily "ignore" these pesky titling laws, which I thought was what you do....if you registered your vehicles and have a DL then what exactly are you exercising under "right to drive"
BTW, I know it can be difficult to tell "tone" in writing but I am in no way trying to argue or be confrontational, I'm just very curious and a bit lost in trying to follow the logic of why all of this would work.....good conversation (at least to me) so thanks for indulging my curiosity
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Plausible deniability. I have a different tag, I no longer use the one in my avatar. Your right each state is different. Negative "all of us register our cars as non-commercial as well if it's just personal use." not just like me, the tag I use has a different status. Plus I do not have insurance, I have a bond. The w210 can be on the road no problem, if you know how to stand on it. It took me 2 years to fully be confident enough to setup my car the way it is now. The word "register" means to surrender. That is why a "certificate of title" will show a "registered owner" because the title is held in trust by the state. The state holds title and is certifying it to the surrendered owner
I have never tried it but I would say yes.
I personally would use the allodial title and a bill of sale
I got the same Problem her in FL.. very expensive to get something under 25y in to States!! Thats why a lot off Vehicles are still in Germany incl. my 500e, E320 Convertible, G500 and lot off Motocycles too. E320 and 500e are close to 25y, thats ok with me to wait.. The G500 has nothing different over there, then here, only the yellow/red Reflectors! still money, but possible....
The Bikes, easiest way will be (what the Inspector told me down here) to take the Motor, Fork, Rims out off them, Ship the Engines in one Container, Rest in a different one, not the same!!! Stick them back together... Go for inspection here in FL and Title them as "Florida Homebuild" because you are only importing Spareparts! No Vehicles..
The Bikes, easiest way will be (what the Inspector told me down here) to take the Motor, Fork, Rims out off them, Ship the Engines in one Container, Rest in a different one, not the same!!! Stick them back together... Go for inspection here in FL and Title them as "Florida Homebuild" because you are only importing Spareparts! No Vehicles..
Allodial title doesn't exist for cars. Let me guess, the law doesn't require that you pay taxes, either.
Well, I have seen some pretty convincing arguments made supporting that theory, yet somehow people still wind up in prison for it. Go figure...
the allodial title is the mso and taxes are 100% voluntary
Zuff, do you have some resources to direct me to regarding your lore on said issues? I'm all Jordan Maxwell'd out.
Sure study the bible, a Bouvier's Law Dictionary, some Black's law dictionaries and UCC 3 and UCC 9
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