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Flieben 2022 500E exhaust run
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I have some rusty heat shields in front of the catalytic converters, that really look awful and take away from the look of the very original exhaust system. Yes, I have asked a few of my connections here in Toronto as to what could be done about the rusting heat shields, receiving a very sharp answer of, NOTHING ! I retire to the back benches and request a torrent of educated suggestions from my learned friends on this site. Stay well my friends. Stelviopass
not too late added to the list.
Also removing the Cat will not trigger the CEL since this is still OBD1.
OBD2 cars which uses a Wideband pre-cat, and 02 post-cat will trigger CEL on modern cars.
Not much you can do, your best option is to remove the heat shield completely and get the OE part ceramic coated.
Production Update:
Slight Delay due to Flanges not being CNCd to correct specs this will push production back by 2-3 weeks.
We did receive some flanges that are correct so some kits will ship out on time.
Slight Delay due to Flanges not being CNCd to correct specs this will push production back by 2-3 weeks.
We did receive some flanges that are correct so some kits will ship out on time.
update
500e brabus tips are shipping out next week.
OE turndown is being welded this week shipping starts 2nd week of May
Front sections will start to ship also second week of May
E420 kits will follow after some modifications needed to make for our 500e/e320 jig to make a e400/420 unit.
Sorry for all the delays and thank you all for supporting the project.
500e brabus tips are shipping out next week.
OE turndown is being welded this week shipping starts 2nd week of May
Front sections will start to ship also second week of May
E420 kits will follow after some modifications needed to make for our 500e/e320 jig to make a e400/420 unit.
Sorry for all the delays and thank you all for supporting the project.
All Brabus Style Tips are shipping this week.
There are 4 extra kits due to people backing out.
There are 4 extra kits due to people backing out.
Turndown Exhaust tipped cat back sections will begin shipping next week Thursday
Some front sections will begin to ship next Thursday.
i will be sending final paypal invoice requests next week.
I am also looking for an E420 local to Huntington Beach to test fit the E-420 rear muffler. If anyone is local and is willing to lend me the car for 24/48 hrs lets talk.
E-mail me at:
5thscaleracer@verizon.net
Some front sections will begin to ship next Thursday.
i will be sending final paypal invoice requests next week.
I am also looking for an E420 local to Huntington Beach to test fit the E-420 rear muffler. If anyone is local and is willing to lend me the car for 24/48 hrs lets talk.
E-mail me at:
5thscaleracer@verizon.net
Still going to be able to do the 400E420 exhaust without a local car?
We should be able to get it done. Mock-up is on a e320 but muffler design will be like the 500e. I just want to be 100% accurate on fitment.
Btw I found a used car for 4k. I don’t need it to run I just need it for mock up.
If I end up buying the car it will be a parts car lol.
Gotcha. Isn't it really just the tips that are different from the 500E to the E420?
Based on the E320 and 500E jig the canister and hanger locations are the same only difference is the back half of the muffler (engine side going to rear muffler canister) and the Tip location is different.
So my plan is to build a muffler using the 500E specs with the 500E jig then plop that onto the E320 jig and do the tip configuration.
The only thing is with out having a car to fit it the tip might be slightly off to the left or right because my reference point is the muffler can. It should be correct but i just want to make sure. I like offering 100% turnkey products with out needing modification.
Catback exhaust kits are ready to ship.
Turndown OE style tips.
Those who placed a deposit i had sent you a DM to confirm paypal E-mail so an invoice can be sent out to finalize the transaction.
Turndown OE style tips.
Those who placed a deposit i had sent you a DM to confirm paypal E-mail so an invoice can be sent out to finalize the transaction.
Just wanted to update the group…
Slight delay on the front sections my supplier for the flanges decided to cut corners by using a thinner cheaper material.
In other words it’s not up to my spec so I had to sub the flange order to another supplier.
Flanges should arrive by this Friday according to FedEx. We will start getting the front sections out by next week I hope.
Sorry for the delays everyone.
Thank you for understanding.
Slight delay on the front sections my supplier for the flanges decided to cut corners by using a thinner cheaper material.
In other words it’s not up to my spec so I had to sub the flange order to another supplier.
Flanges should arrive by this Friday according to FedEx. We will start getting the front sections out by next week I hope.
Sorry for the delays everyone.
Thank you for understanding.
OK we are back on track... Front sections are complete and shipping out this week.
I will be finalizing invoices for those who have purchased the front section or both the front and rear section this week.
Now onto finalizing the 400E model exhaust.
I will be finalizing invoices for those who have purchased the front section or both the front and rear section this week.
Now onto finalizing the 400E model exhaust.
Does anyone have a picture to post of the new exhausts kit installed? Oem and brabus style.
OE Style simply put its not exposed unlike the OE where it hangs like a limp
Brabus Style
There have been a total of 70Kits sold world wide but I have only seen maybe 6 people share actual installation images or sound impressions.
i have a few available from the last run. 2 Front sections, 2 Turndown 3 Brabus tip style
Guessing you replaced the stock cat-back resonator years ago? That piece has been NLA for a while...
good point the shop told me it was the pipe after this part to mufflerGuessing you replaced the stock cat-back resonator years ago? That piece has been NLA for a while...
i still have a few exhaust kits left, front section, rear sections in Brabus and Turndown.
Some guys who originally placed a deposit decided to cancel their order.
So
5 front sections
3 brabus
5 turndown kits available
Some guys who originally placed a deposit decided to cancel their order.
So
5 front sections
3 brabus
5 turndown kits available
Another option is the Fox system. Paid $970 delivered for my system cat back with the resonator delete and rear muffler with turn downs like OEM. I was worried it would be too loud but it was actually quieter than I imagined. I will try and get a video of the sound and pictures of the install. It’s just a muddy mess where I live. You would think I off-road the car. Only issue I can complain about is the clearance between the inner CV joint and pipe. Factory pipe is flatted over that area. I will drop the system heat and create clearance in that area. Otherwise it fits nicely.
yes still available Full system or cat back only.
Couple of things you need to know before you go heating up and bending.
Fox Uses a T300 series stainless but it's not graded iirc it's 16ga (SAE Scale) so the material is thin. The stainless is not certified which means it is metal that has been processed but it's uniformity might be inconsistent. (Cast wheel vs Forged wheel)
With that said don't heat it up too hot if the pipe turns blue you should be able to bend it. If the pipe goes through the color change and back to silver don't even try to bend it or smack it. When it hits silver the material is too brittle at that point.
I suggest getting a hard cast pipe to cradle the back (it will also act as a heat sink to control temps), cut off a section to expose the area you want to flatten. Smack the area with a 2X4. Only do this when the metal is hot because T300 series is brittle.
This is one of the reasons why T304 mandrill bends are expensive. They have a higher probability of over stretching and cracking.
We use T304 14G on the muffler construction but the pipes are T436 which is stronger for longer lasting. All materials are graded and certified to SAE standards.
@dionphaneuf from that video it sounds about the same as my Magnaflow setup. Most of it is the engine's "voice", if that helps you make your decision for the C126.
Cheers,
maw
Any additional’s available for a 93 500 e in Texas?
Would these work for a 95 E320?
Appreciate your thoughts to a 500 e newbie.
The 500E exhaust will not bolt up to any E320.
Thanks on the E320 answer.
following up on any units available for the 500? Thx
@MK500, try contacting @5thscaleracer directly. Click their user name, then click "Start conversation" to send a message.
Have done. Thanks very much!
I have a few 500e kits left and we just finished a E320 kit and those are also available.
That sounds great.
assume my exhaust guy will be able to put on without a problem?
and what would be the cost for each?
thanks.
@MK500, just FYI... the catalyst pipe AND resonator (middle muffler) on the 500E are NLA new, and unobtanium used. If these components are in good shape on your car, make SURE your exhaust guy takes his time separating the two components with ZERO damage. This may take him 1-2 hours longer than if he hacked it with a Sawzall, chisel, or torch. Save whatever pieces are removed, because you probably will not be able to replace them with stock in the future. The same info applies whether you are getting a cat-back setup, or a manifold-back setup. Exhaust guys are usually in a rush and treat the old/stock components like trash, you don't want that to happen in this case.
500E Front section with test pipe $1800.00
50 state legal catalysts is an additional $1700.00
Cat Back $1850.00
E320 manifold back exhaust (only available as a full system) $1880.00
Catalytic converter for E320 $780.00
500E kits are compatible with all OE components. As stated by GSXR the installer must take the time to separate the OE components correctly and not cause any damage. This is critical for installing my kit to any factory part or if you decide to go back to stock locating a NOS item.
The typical Hack and Weld is a big no no if my exhaust is hacked in anyway or if the OE parts of your car has been modified by the previous owner then fitment is not guaranteed.
it's best to crawl under the car snap some images and post them on here. Collectively we can make better suggestions based on your situation.
So you are offering cats again? Last time I thought you had mentioned that HJS units are the only available at $1,300 per cat. Would be really cool if the 2021 setup was available again
Good news is Texas doesn't require emissions testing on cars 25 years or older.
I like the factory turn down.
I’d like the full system for both the ‘93 500e and ‘95 E320 and with your advisory above, replace what is needed and save the parts for the future.
No catalytic converter necessary.
I don’t have Pay pal.
do have Apple Pay?
Magnaflow has cats available that can be used.
HJS is not 50 state legal anymore.
The old cats are not legal anymore thank the epa for constantly changing the rules.
Thanks 5thscale. I'd like to purchase a front section with cats please. I also just PM'd you regarding the details.
How much are your systems with the magnaflow cats? Have you thought of selling midsections only? I basically have a magnaflow system already but would be in the market for highly researched sections with expert welds (that's you).
I know profit margins get in the way of some of this but taking customers off the downpipes back to the mufflers of their choice might make some sense. I see a lot of suppliers doing that in E46M land.
maw
The problem is when designing the 500E exhaust we took the approach of "Factory Exhaust is in bad condition" or "Everyone has a mickey mouse setup".
That being said my exhaust kits are only compatible where the Stock Catalysts meets the Stock Resonator.
If you buy a Cat Back it will bolt to a factory front section.
If you buy the front section with a test pipe or CA approved cats it's compatible with the stock rear resonator/muffler.
When you say "Mid Sections only" in my world that does not compute because there is no such thing.
Factory front section is a Y pipe to the Catalyst thats all one piece from Mercedes. The only brake away points are the cross over pipe in front of the trans or the dual exit after the cats.
Factory rear was one solid part but later down the line MB added a break away that splits resonator with rear muffler.
So if you need a cat you will need to purchase my complete front section and the only 50 State legal cat that I am able to obtain are the Magnaflow units. Finished product you are looking at $1700.00 for just the cat section.
Pricing breaks down as follows:
Front Y Cross over section with Test pipe $1800.00
Plus the 50 State Catalysts $1700.00
If you don't want the Test pipe that saves you about $300.00
Buying just the catalyst or test pipe will not bolt onto the factory or any other branded part.
*** Being that I am in CA I do not have access to Federal Catalytic converters. If you live in a state and you need/want a federal catalyst I can supply you the part number to buy and send them to me. From there I can toss it on a jig and make a part that will bolt onto my front section. ***
Or your local muffler shop will be able to splice the catalysts with the supplied test pipe units.
Current inventory 7-24-2023
2 Front sections left
2 Brabus Cat Back
4 Turn down Cat Back
Please see attached… when I say “midsection“ I mean combined sections marked 2 and 4 from MB… from the beginning of 2 to the end of 4 with Magnaflow cats (resonated or not), don’t really care what the factory did.
maw
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Money sent. Thanks for making these available to folks, @5thscaleracer. Without good quality offerings like this we’d all be up a certain creek without a certain instrument in this brave new world of NLA.
Now I hope that this cures the loss of power issue that developed on the drive from Monterey to Seattle two months ago. Steve Geyer diagnosed it to be caused by a plugged up exhaust today after having checked coils, vacuum lines, EZL, LH module and MAF, so let’s see what happens when this gets installed.
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I know myself, and probably a couple of other folks, would be interested in a bolt-on Y-pipe in place of the stock resonator (#9 below). Especially since the resonator is NLA and the Timevalve piece is also NLA.
Demand would depend on pricepoint, and fabricating the 70mm pipe flange could be a challenge if there's nothing off-the-shelf that can be used. If this piece existed, in addition to being useful as a standalone resonator replacement, it would also meet maw's needs as it would connect with either stock or 5thscale front sections.
Demand would depend on pricepoint, and fabricating the 70mm pipe flange could be a challenge if there's nothing off-the-shelf that can be used. If this piece existed, in addition to being useful as a standalone resonator replacement, it would also meet maw's needs as it would connect with either stock or 5thscale front sections.
The reason people do it is because the cats and resonators are the pieces people want to replace for tuning and weight reduction purposes, 6/10 times. Another 2 or 3 out of 10, hardcore types want to replace the headers. Very few people change anything for sound only, and most would rather have the muffler at least look stock. So the practice of aftermarket midsections has evolved.
For example (E46 M3) midpipe by Supersprint… https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-...UftUwXxAeFyg67EpTAAICjijF5nh03rgaAsC5EALw_wcB
And for E60 M5 … https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-...GcShIMfPAsGdL1pjxljIX6H7quN76mIcaAuxnEALw_wcB
There may be a real market for Mercedes cars here, beyond .036 (R129, R230, W210, W211, W215, W216, W220, W221), basically all the AMG variants where people tune them. Someone likely has the C-Class AMG covered.
maw
For example (E46 M3) midpipe by Supersprint… https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-...UftUwXxAeFyg67EpTAAICjijF5nh03rgaAsC5EALw_wcB
And for E60 M5 … https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-...GcShIMfPAsGdL1pjxljIX6H7quN76mIcaAuxnEALw_wcB
There may be a real market for Mercedes cars here, beyond .036 (R129, R230, W210, W211, W215, W216, W220, W221), basically all the AMG variants where people tune them. Someone likely has the C-Class AMG covered.
maw
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