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SOLD 1993 500E, 36kmi, Pearl Black/Black, BaT auction (Bluffton, SC)

audemars said:
It also shows that the big collector money doesn’t care about the opinions made by a car mechanic in Georgia or uninformed opinions on this website.
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i was going to respond to this when I made my earlier post but then said I should wait and see if the mood strikes me later. Well, it did.

I take offense at the fact you called Jono a car mechanic. It shows a lack of respect and ignorance on your part. In today’s world, pettiness seems to have reached new lows. When someone does not like what someone else is saying, regardless of if it is right or not, they attack the messenger. Jono is a Mercedes enthusiast through and through. He comes by it honestly as his father had many Mercedes when Jono was growing up. Jono now enjoys a business with his father to restore them. Calling him a mechanic is like saying Michael Jordan is just another basketball player. What you miss is Jono has no axe to grind or a hidden agenda, does not need to brag about the car he is selling to get another (how’s that AMG GT?), nor flaunt what he has. Jono’s probably forgotten more about a single model of Mercedes than most of us will ever know.

BTW, if a collector would ask Jono about this one (or any one), he’d give an honest answer and save them some money or give them some things to consider when determining fair market value or post acquisition maintenance needs.

A couple of years ago, he took time out to look at the car I had already bought to make sure it was a good example.

So rather than disparaging the membership because they call them like they see them (good and bad), why not try to be a contributing member of the board — or just leave.


Robert
 
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Re: US CAR BEING ADVERTISED IN THE UK

Please take note of what was said. Your contribution here has been limited to criticizing a group of enthusiasts with knowledge and integrity that is becoming increasingly rare in the times we live in. I suggest you take the time to read through some of the thousands of examples of knowledgeable help dispensed here. Maybe it will help you to see the petty insults implied through your comments are out of line. Really. Your only point seems to be that because someone paid x amount for an item it must be worth it. By the time it takes to read this thousands of folks will have overpaid for something. Dealers of all sorts included. I have NO Doubt Jonathan has represented the car in question fairly and accurately. If you think it's worth more, buy it.

Drew
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Please take note of what was said... Your only point seems to be that because someone paid x amount for an item it must be worth it. By the time it takes to read this thousands of folks will have overpaid for something. Dealers of all sorts included.
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Thanks a gazillion, Drew. Fools and their money...

And Robert saved me some typing as well. Jono's a documented 2nd generation owner, collector, restorer and purveyor of the finest MB cars, in an era where big, monied dealerships have been steadily putting such shops out of business by loading cars with technology requiring tools the small shop cannot afford. Think about that for a second, if you have the capacity to think. What he and his dad have done is a testament to the entrepreneurial spirit, toughness and commitment to excellence that makes any business successful over the long term. It may or may not make you rich. But it will yield something much more valuable than money.

Cheers to all of that,

maw
 
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I echo what Robert, Drew and maw have said, and I also note that while this long thread has been frustrating, it also shows why this board is so strong. We have a non-regular posting vulgar money-obsessed nonsense (this is the wrong car for that crowd), attacking one of the foundational contributors who makes this site useful and enjoyable, and generally demeaning the value of actually having knowledge of how these cars work (what’s wrong with being a “car mechanic” anyway—I think everyone here would take that as the highest of compliments), BUT the offender hasn’t been banned and this thread hasn’t been shut down. He gets his chance to say what he wants, and those that want to can read it, and if they want to they can respond. I’m not sure if the Board is a better place because of this thread, but it is better generally because of this tolerant attitude.

That said, if the mods decide to ban this poster and/or shut down this thread, I can’t say I’ll shed any tears.

Mark

PS - Jono, if this guy’s ultimate argument is true and there are collectors willing to pay huge $$$$ for low mile cars with big flaws, your net worth just took a big jump up considering the truly special low mile (and great condition) cars you have.
 
I haven't been here for a while (busy on other projects) but I HAVE spent a lot of time on BaT, which no doubt some of us are also fans of. What is interesting to me is that when a 500E comes up on BaT, invariably someone promptly refers potential bidders or buyers to this site. It never fails.

I have a variety of collector cars, and a few Mercedes. There is no model-specific site for anything I own that is as well-informed, as well-managed, and as useful as this one. Granted, there are some good sites, no question, but they don't compare to this one.

I also moderate a forum for boat owners of a particular brand, and I wish we had the level of civility there that exists here. Sadly, we do not. If I did not already own a 500E, this would be the first place I looked for one. Not that I don't like other sites, but for authority and no-dog-in-the-hunt accuracy, this site, as they say, bears the bell away.
 
Was able to see this 500E in the Canepa showroom last Saturday during their Cars and Coffee event. It presents very well, but hard to get a good look underneath in their showroom 'theater' lighting. I live about 20 minutes from Canepa so happy to take a closer look if anyone is interested.

-Allen

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Canepa: 1993 500E lower cladding color?

I visited Canepa today with a 964 buddy and ran into this car. It looks to me like the lower cladding color is painted same as the body, 199. Looked great but is this lower cladding color factory? My '94 has the 199 paint code but with the Alto gray lower which is lighter gray in color, more contrast. Really like the look of this car.

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http://canepa.com/photo-gallery/1993-mercedesbenz-500e5623/


Bonus 959 shot, still to this day my dream car to own...

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All 199 cars pre and post facelift if paint is 199 then lower cladding is Alto no exceptions. That was painted afterwards and 199 looks great with bottom matching
 
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Also that is i think low 32k sample that we ripped to pieces after it switched quite a few dealer hands. Ahhhhhhh Porsche 959
 
Re: Canepa: 1993 500E lower cladding color?

Color me crazy but I *PREFER* the original look with alto grey on the bottom and 199 on the top. I find that it provides for a lighter visual look --- perhaps the way Bruno Sacco intended.

That and I think two-tone cars should make a comeback. :-)
 
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Jlaa said:
Color me crazy but I *PREFER* the original look with alto grey on the bottom and 199 on the top. I find that it provides for a lighter visual look --- perhaps the way Bruno Sacco intended.

That and I think two-tone cars should make a comeback. :-)
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+1

I have always appreciated the two-tone nature of the late 1980s and 1990s MBs, and never subscribed to the opinion that the two-tone paint makes them look "dated."

I also appreciate the mono-tone paint, but more prefer the car to look and be as it was originally intended from the factory.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 135kmi, $30k (West Palm Beach, FL)

ace10, you’re quickly becoming the ’for-sale’ bloodhound around these parts...

Edit: removed incorrect BAT reference.

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This car was available at the time when I was looking for a 500E to purchase, so I checked with Canepa on pricing. Back then (March 2018) they wanted $79.5k, so the $90k price listed in the title of this thread was already rather aspirational a year ago.

Would be interesting to know what it actually ended up selling for another year on...
 
Looks like this one is back up for sale at Amelia Island soon. Note there's a typo in the VIN, they have it listed as "WBDEA36E9P14462", missing the B9 prior to the chassis number in WBDEA36E9PB914462. (Edit - they eventually fixed the typo.)

1993 Mercedes-Benz 500E

View the 1993 Mercedes-Benz 500E at Gooding Christie’s's Amelia Island Auctions 2024. Contact us for more information.
www.goodingco.com www.goodingco.com

Thanks to maw for spotting this!

Estimate: $90,000 - $120,000| Without Reserve​
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Chassis: WDBEA36E9PB914462​
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Car Highlights​

A Gorgeous Example of the Joint-Developed Mercedes-Benz/Porsche Performance Sedan​
Documented with over 70 Pages of Records, Including over $19,000 at Canepa Design​
Finished in Desirable Black Pearl Metallic over Black Leather​
Rare Low-Mileage Example Showing Just 35,150 Miles at the Time of Cataloguing​
Offered with Owner’s Manual, Factory Cover, Tool Kit, CARFAX Vehicle History Report, and Original First Aid Kit​

Technical Specs​

4,973 CC DOHC V-8 Engine​
Bosch LH-Jetronic Electronic Fuel Injection​
322 BHP at 5,500 RPM​
4-Speed Automatic Transmission​
4-Wheel Ventilated Disc Brakes​
Front Independent Suspension with Coil Springs​
ear Independent Suspension with Coil Springs (Super rare "Ear" suspension! :ROFLMAO: )​

Saleroom Addendum​

Please note some corrosion has been detected in the front core support area under the radiator. The corrosion could have resulted from a previous radiator leak. The current radiator does not appear to leak.​
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In the late 1980s, Mercedes-Benz wanted to develop a performance sedan based on their W124 E-Class to compete with BMW’s impressive M5. With Mercedes engineers busy working on the upcoming S-Class, the company approached Porsche to help with the project. Porsche redesigned the car’s chassis to fit the new 5.0-liter V-8 out of the 500SL, as well as modified the suspension and drivetrain to match. In 1990, Mercedes-Benz debuted the resultant 500E – an understated sedan with impressive performance.​
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This lovely example is finished in stunning Black Pearl Metallic and showed just 35,150 miles at the time of cataloguing. The 500E has over 70 pages of service records from throughout its life, including from Canepa of Scotts Valley, California, which spent over $19,000 on servicing, selective bodywork, Wurth Stone Guard undercoating, middle and rear exhaust hangers, and a concours-level detailing. Its current fastidious caretaker purchased the 500E from Canepa in 2019, and in his care the Mercedes-Benz has benefited from approximately $16,000 of further maintenance at Mercedes-Benz of Pembroke Pines, Florida and Palm Beach Classics.​
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It is no surprise that the 500E has gained a serious following among enthusiasts thanks to its powerful V-8, luxurious interior, and exceptional build quality. When paired with the timeless W124 design, the 500E truly stands as a high watermark for Mercedes-Benz performance sedans.​


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The car does look really nice. But @jhodg5ck's post here with pics basically is the smoking gun, this car was in an accident and it was covered up. And the rust - yikes. I'm not a body repair or paint expert, but I've stopped rust dead in its tracks with a dremel and POR15, it's not that hard 😂 If it gets to the right buyer, they can take one for the team and try to "make it right". But that takes a lot of time and money. It'll never be 100%.

It's a shame when folks try to hide accident damage and rust damage. If they were honest and disclosed it was in an accident (and the price and sales pitches reflected it), it might be worth looking considering as a project (IMO).

LOL - just noticed @jhodg5ck's profile 🤣 Inspired by this wacked out post.
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1993 500E with app 35k miles, in the Amelia Island auction in March. Color appears to be Anthracite or Pearl Black, I'm not sure which. Includes analog installed car phone, which must have been one of the few options. Appears very clean in photos. I did not see a writeup. VIN WDBEA 36 E9 PB 914462 Anyone know anything about this car?

They also have a nice-looking 280SE 3.5 cabriolet in the same auction, looks recently restored, but a column shift and a gray interior that I think doesn't do justice to the car. Given that a restored 3.5 just sold for $360,000 on BaT, it will be interesting to see what this one brings. The BaT one appeared nicer.
 
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1993 500E, app 35K miles, Pearl black/black, last six of VIN are 914462. Alumnus of the Canepa shop (probably good) also later of a local MB dealer shop, said to have had quite a bit of maintenance lavished on it...... looks good in photos, however there are no photos of the cars undercarriage that I could find. No reserve, estimated at 90-120 thousand. I did not see any service records but that does not mean they don't have any.

Another car in the same auction is a 1985 Ferrari 308 GTB QV, about 2500 miles, estimated at a truly astonishing price of 275-325 thousand. This variant of the last incarnation of the 308 (and this is a Euro car) is rather scarce- most were GTS models- but even with very low miles and a Euro car, that seems like a rather heroic figure to me.
 
Jim Rosenthal said:
1993 500E, app 35K miles, Pearl black/black, last six of VIN are 914462. Alumnus of the Canepa shop (probably good) also later of a local MB dealer shop, said to have had quite a bit of maintenance lavished on it...... looks good in photos, however there are no photos of the cars undercarriage that I could find. No reserve, estimated at 90-120 thousand. I did not see any service records but that does not mean they don't have any.

Another car in the same auction is a 1985 Ferrari 308 GTB QV, about 2500 miles, estimated at a truly astonishing price of 275-325 thousand. This variant of the last incarnation of the 308 (and this is a Euro car) is rather scarce- most were GTS models- but even with very low miles and a Euro car, that seems like a rather heroic figure to me.
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Do you have a link you can post?
 
This car has been well documented here on the forum for years. A quick VIN number search brings up the existing thread.

Gooding auction noted in January starting at post #226.

Merging new thread with existing thread …. Seems that three different threads have been started from January on this same exact car.

Creating additional admin workload burden, of course.
 
bid.goodingco.com

1993 Mercedes-Benz 500E | Gooding Christie's

Without ReserveChassis: WDBEA36E9PB914462 Salesroom Addendum Please note some corrosion has been detected in the front core support area under the radiator. The corrosion could have resulted from a previous radiator leak. The current radiator does not appear to leak. A Gorgeous Example of the...
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Car pulled $65k at Amelia this morning against a $90k - $120k estimate.

maw

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maw1124 said:
bid.goodingco.com

1993 Mercedes-Benz 500E | Gooding Christie's

Without ReserveChassis: WDBEA36E9PB914462 Salesroom Addendum Please note some corrosion has been detected in the front core support area under the radiator. The corrosion could have resulted from a previous radiator leak. The current radiator does not appear to leak. A Gorgeous Example of the...
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Car pulled $65k at Amelia this morning against a $90k - $120k estimate.

maw
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Oooof. Barely over half of the high end estimate.

Anyone know the total fees tacked on to the $65k hammer?

Edit: looks like +12%, so $72,800 plus TTTT (tag, title, tax, transport).

:blower:
 
Ouch. Is it fairly rare, when the auction company is so far off the mark with their estimates?

Seems that this one didn't have so much appeal for the odometer buyers.

Or is ODS (Odometer Derangement Syndrome) a disease that is specific to HaT?
 
We are in a declining market, no question about it. I have not seen the final tallies from the auctions, but from friends' comments, I get the impression that many cars did not sell. My impression only- we see what it looks like when the fat lady sings.
 
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