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factory oil cooler EPC breakdown
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MB oil cooler, 140-500-00-00
124-500-00-81 (Lever, left)
124-500-01-81 (Lever, right)
124-501-02-49 (Angle, left)
124-501-03-49 (Angle, right)
124-993-26-10 (Spring, 2 required)
008-997-59-81 (Grommet, 2 required)
008-997-60-81 (Grommet, 2 required)
000125-006421 (Washer, 4 required)
913004-006001 (Nut, 4 required)
119 180 10 82 (hose)
119 180 11 20 (hose)
119 180 13 20 (hose)
119 180 15 10 (filter housing)
124-500-00-81 (Lever, left)
124-500-01-81 (Lever, right)
124-501-02-49 (Angle, left)
124-501-03-49 (Angle, right)
124-993-26-10 (Spring, 2 required)
008-997-59-81 (Grommet, 2 required)
008-997-60-81 (Grommet, 2 required)
000125-006421 (Washer, 4 required)
913004-006001 (Nut, 4 required)
119 180 10 82 (hose)
119 180 11 20 (hose)
119 180 13 20 (hose)
119 180 15 10 (filter housing)
Warning: I believe there was an early 1-piece line/hose which was replaced by a later 2-piece assembly. Or vice-versa. You will need to post a photo of the piece in question to ensure you order the correct part number. Austin did all the homework on this, I think I saved his photos & info somewhere, but I'd need to see yours first to figure out the part number....
Will give you all the data with screenshots later 
Dave is correct
See attached picture
See attached picture
The 1-piece assembly is NLA, so you HAVE to use the 2-piece one, regardless of your engine-number or VIN Number.
So you need both "A1191801120" AND "A1191801320" instead of the old "A1191800982"
So you need both "A1191801120" AND "A1191801320" instead of the old "A1191800982"
Warning: I believe there was an early 1-piece line/hose which was replaced by a later 2-piece assembly. Or vice-versa. You will need to post a photo of the piece in question to ensure you order the correct part number. Austin did all the homework on this, I think I saved his photos & info somewhere, but I'd need to see yours first to figure out the part number....
Email me and I'll send you my spreadsheet. Lot of extras you need not on the list above. How much is this upgrade now? $1500 -2000?
Lol seems like i should sell one spare Oil-cooler i have lying around here at US ebay ^^
The cooler itself isn't too bad, it's the three hoses that are expensive, plus the filter housing isn't cheap. And some of the mounting brackets really went up in price too.
I could let the hoses be custom produced by the hydraulic company near my Hometown. I have here a spare Oilfilterhousing (oilcooler ready) and spare Oilcooler IIRC with still connected mounts. Its from an W140 500SE WITH hoses, but i guess the hoses between the 124.03x and the W140 are different. The cooler looks identical to the one from my 500E
Hope my question is close enough to topic (don't wan't to hijack thread)..
I have to replace oil cooler, presumably part# 140-500-00-00 (cracked hose/connection). Lost all of the engine oil after a crash. Do I need to worry about the tranny, or is this only connected to the radiator?
While I'm at it - what should I consider replacing together with the oil cooler to avoid double work...
And, the AVA oil cooler is almost twice the price of the original - is it worth it?
Price: http://www.autoroyal.no/originaldeler/default.aspx?delenr=1405000000&x=0&y=0
I have to replace oil cooler, presumably part# 140-500-00-00 (cracked hose/connection). Lost all of the engine oil after a crash. Do I need to worry about the tranny, or is this only connected to the radiator?
While I'm at it - what should I consider replacing together with the oil cooler to avoid double work...
And, the AVA oil cooler is almost twice the price of the original - is it worth it?
Price: http://www.autoroyal.no/originaldeler/default.aspx?delenr=1405000000&x=0&y=0
You had a crash with your 500E?! Dang!
Well no the AVA is not better than the Original one. Especially not when the Price is double of the OE. Buy the OE. ~450€ for the OE? Jesus is that thing expensive.
You can save even more if you buy the Oil-Cooler from the OEM in Germany. But i forgot the Brand unfortunately. We have done that on the W124 300E-24V and once on the 190E 3.6Brabus. Both times we saved 50% compared to the Mercedes-Dealer price.
Well no the AVA is not better than the Original one. Especially not when the Price is double of the OE. Buy the OE. ~450€ for the OE? Jesus is that thing expensive.
You can save even more if you buy the Oil-Cooler from the OEM in Germany. But i forgot the Brand unfortunately. We have done that on the W124 300E-24V and once on the 190E 3.6Brabus. Both times we saved 50% compared to the Mercedes-Dealer price.
Hello,
probably you have meant Behr/Hella, which seems to be the first assembly manufacturer. I've made an research and found this number:
Nr art: 8MO 376 725-431
EAN: 40 45621 24032 5
For OE number 1405000000
Standard produced by BEHR
Hope this should help in finding best $$$ vs. quality option.
probably you have meant Behr/Hella, which seems to be the first assembly manufacturer. I've made an research and found this number:
Nr art: 8MO 376 725-431
EAN: 40 45621 24032 5
For OE number 1405000000
Standard produced by BEHR
Hope this should help in finding best $$$ vs. quality option.
Yes, and you should see the dealer price here!
Also, I need a new front bumper, ouch
Is the oil cooler attached with any specific parts, and is it fastened to the bumber or subframe? Any must-replace parts while at it?
Correct, the Hella costs 145€ in Germany
http://www.daparto.de/Teilenummernsuche/Hella/8MO376725431
Those are the parts. Check if yours are still Ok.
Thanks Christian. Any of the shops in that link that are reliable and fast? It takes a week to get it from my source. I'd want to order for that low price, but I need them asap you know, plus there is a 5 year warranty by law here on such items.Correct, the Hella costs 145€ in Germany
http://www.daparto.de/Teilenummernsuche/Hella/8MO376725431
Those are the parts. Check if yours are still Ok.
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The parts I need delivered initially according to my mechanic are all on your screenshot:
140-500-00-00 - Oil cooler (1) - 430€
124-993-26-10 - Spring for oil cooler (2) - 11€
124-500-00-81 - Lever left (1) - 29€
124-500-01-81 - Lever right (1) - 29€
008-997-60-81 - Grommet for oil cooler (4) - 4€
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Maybe, but I haven't made an order from Germany before. Need to know if reliable/fast. Christian?Those prices seem very high. Can you order from speed-autoteile.com in Germany to save a few bux?
Hi, don't buy the cooler at Benz. Thats insanely expensive! Buy the cooler itself either from "Fürst Autoteile" or from "Autoteile Teufel".
http://www.autoteile-teufel.de/HELLA/Oelkuehler-Motoroel/8MO376725431/?vehicleHsnTsn=
http://www.fuerst-autoteile.de/index.php/product/8MO+376+725-431/2/hella-oelkuehler-motoroel
http://www.online-teile.com/mb/product_info.php?info=p9620901_a1405000000-1.05.html (mercedes dealer link)
Have excellent experience with both. Of course such a rarely ordered part like a oil-cooler which probably only fit in the W124 V8s and W140s , will not be in stock so they need 1-3 days to order it from their wholesale. Then shipping i assume 2-3 days to Norway.
But you have to ask them before if they do the shipping to Norway (which i think they do).
For "Speed-Autoteile", i have no idea never ordered with them and IIRC its not possible for germans.
http://www.autoteile-teufel.de/HELLA/Oelkuehler-Motoroel/8MO376725431/?vehicleHsnTsn=
http://www.fuerst-autoteile.de/index.php/product/8MO+376+725-431/2/hella-oelkuehler-motoroel
http://www.online-teile.com/mb/product_info.php?info=p9620901_a1405000000-1.05.html (mercedes dealer link)
Have excellent experience with both. Of course such a rarely ordered part like a oil-cooler which probably only fit in the W124 V8s and W140s , will not be in stock so they need 1-3 days to order it from their wholesale. Then shipping i assume 2-3 days to Norway.
But you have to ask them before if they do the shipping to Norway (which i think they do).
For "Speed-Autoteile", i have no idea never ordered with them and IIRC its not possible for germans.
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Seriously? You've never heard of these guys? They ship worldwide:
http://speed-autoteile.com/
SPEED AUTOTEILE
Hohentwielsteig 3
14163 Berlin
Germany
http://speed-autoteile.com/
SPEED AUTOTEILE
Hohentwielsteig 3
14163 Berlin
Germany
I'd be greatful if anybody knows a supplier in Germany who's able to get hold of E500E parts and ship internationally. I'm going to need a few more parts, which probably would be a third of the price here. Shipping from the US often takes more than 3-4 weeks. So if anyone uses a reliable supplier in Germany or somewhere in Europe, please let me know.
Thanks Dave. I've sent an inquiry 5 days ago without response. So I ended up ordering from autoroyal.no.
I also checked out autoteile-teufel who only operates in Germany and furst-autoteile who only carries one of the five parts I need for now.
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I've got two broken oil lines/hoses that goes into the oil cooler - left/right side. It is actually just the little threads inside the connectors that are broken (see the red lines on the photo).Found it. The line which wraps around the back of the oil pan was a 1-piece assembly, replaced by the later 2-piece assembly. Photo below.
The other hose is # 119-180-10-82 (not shown in photos).
But I guess I'll have to replace the whole line...
The left oil line (driver side) is in the car from the factory, and is just one piece according to my mechanics. I think the part# for that part is 119-180-09-82, and EPC says it was replaced by two pieces (119-180-11-20 and 119-180-13-20), and that they are as of engine 974008556. Mine is 97412007xxx, so I should use the two-piece solution if I understand the EPC correctly. Also, ChristianK you wrote that you HAVE to use the 2-piece one regardless of engine/VIN.
So then I will have to lighten my pocket by ordering at least these parts I guess:
(23) 119-180-11-20 (left side 1 of 2 pieces) - (superceeds 119-180-09-82)
(29) 119-180-13-20 (left side 2 of 2 pieces) - (superceeds 119-180-09-82)
(35) 119-180-10-82 (right side) - no superceeding part for this one?
And then the real question: Is there any other dependent parts that I need to order, since the two-piece oil line replaced the old one-piece oil line?
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If using the superceeding two-piece coolant oil line; does it require replacing other parts to fit?
Help: Right lever 124-500-01-81 for oil cooler can't be delivered by MB factory in Germany.
Spoke to local MB dealer in Norway, but they don't have it, and they are not able to get it manufactured from Germany, because the part is out of production
I really need this part to get my car back on the road. Any help appreciated.
Spoke to local MB dealer in Norway, but they don't have it, and they are not able to get it manufactured from Germany, because the part is out of production
I really need this part to get my car back on the road. Any help appreciated.
Post a picture of the old bracket. It shouldn't be hard to just fabricate one.
I'd be tempted to take the old lines to someone whom fabricates lines. In my hometown, the line places do lots of tractor hyraulics. Here in Texas, they do bigger stuff for oil drilling industry. They go by the bends of the old one and find the right flex hose for whatever fluid is running inside.
How about a call or email to that junkyard in the Neatherlands which Gerry posted having so much e500e parts. Maybe you could get this stuff used.
Michael
I'd be tempted to take the old lines to someone whom fabricates lines. In my hometown, the line places do lots of tractor hyraulics. Here in Texas, they do bigger stuff for oil drilling industry. They go by the bends of the old one and find the right flex hose for whatever fluid is running inside.
How about a call or email to that junkyard in the Neatherlands which Gerry posted having so much e500e parts. Maybe you could get this stuff used.
Michael
Which bracket is this shown on the parts diagram??
I discovered today that the old 400SE I bought as a parts car has a factory oil cooler, and since the S60 doesn't, I would like to swap it. I have not looked where he pipes go yet but am assuming to the oil filter housing? I would need to swap the filter housing assemblies too is that right?
If it's going to be a messy job I'll get it done in the shop.
If it's going to be a messy job I'll get it done in the shop.
Correct. It could be a little messy... put down some cardboard, newspaper, and/or plastic on the floor...
can we use the engine cooler as a transmission cooler?
Sure, with appropriate hoses & adapters, I don't see why not... although it's a bit oversize for a trans cooler. The tranny generally does not need extra cooling capacity if you are using synthetic fluids, unless perhaps you are towing? The engine definitely benefits from the oil cooler though. I'd leave your engine oil cooler alone, and add a small auxiliary trans cooler if it really needs one.
CAN WE USE THE SYNTHETIC OIL FOR NEW MODELS TO OUR TRANSMISSION?
Ditto what Gerry said. Amsoil ATF and Mobil-1 ATF are also acceptable, at least with their current formulas. I absolutely would not waste money on the OE MB fluids for a 722.3 transmission.
For the record: I currently use Red Line D4 or High Temp in my transmissions.
For the record: I currently use Red Line D4 or High Temp in my transmissions.
Sure, with appropriate hoses & adapters, I don't see why not... although it's a bit oversize for a trans cooler. The tranny generally does not need extra cooling capacity if you are using synthetic fluids, unless perhaps you are towing? The engine definitely benefits from the oil cooler though. I'd leave your engine oil cooler alone, and add a small auxiliary trans cooler if it really needs one.
I'd use a generic one with AN fittings for much cheaper like RENNTECH used...run.exe. had some pictures up back in the day of this.
what about this type of oil?
or if i use vaico long life is better?
any difference in the 400e, 500e or r129 oil coolers? or are they the same?
How much difference do you guys think these oil coolers make in a cars performance or engine longevity?
Here in the land of the free, running synthetic oil, in a stock motor? Absolutely Zero Point Zero. Maybe on a west Texas interstate in the summer you could run fast enough long enough to even open the oil thermostat. That's why they are usually omitted here. However, it is nice to see one in there just because...
