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RENNtech builds twin-turbo 6.0L M119.982

gsxr

.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
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I was honestly expecting a bigger power gain. The 6.0L naturally aspirated engine can produce at least 400hp, and some of RENNtech's previous (highly optimistic, IMO) claims were as high as 440hp naturally aspirated. So while 500hp at the crank is nothing to sneeze at, I was kinda thinking it should be closer to 500hp at the wheels with a pair of snails attached along with full aftermarket Bosch engine management?

Definite lack of details & photos on this one, which is a shame! Need lots more pics of the engine compartment. Wish they would fabricate a hot-Vee supercharger a la M113K, like Sterns Garage is doing, although few could afford it if RT performed the build / R&D.

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SL 500 Twin Turbo 6.0

This 1998 Mercedes-Benz SL 500 RENNtech has been fully restored, maintaining the original classic styling while adding the latest technological advances in performance and comfort.

On the outside this classic roadster received new custom metallic dark grey paint, an AMG aero package straight from the factory, and custom RENNtech wheels. On the inside is where the real fun begins! The ’98 SL500 motor has been bored out 4 mm to 100 mm and stroked to 94.8mm transforming the old 5.0L powerhouse into 6.0 liters. For optimum results a Bosch Engine Management System was installed together with a handmade wire harness for the engine. Software application and programing of the ignition and fuel required the tedious, time consuming process of working from the ground up.


RENNtech engineered a custom intake manifold which was handmade by its highly talented fabricators, as well as all the necessary pipes and hoses, for the installation of 2 twin Borg Warner turbos. 400 plus fabrication hours later the custom exhaust and intake along with a water to air intercooling system complete with a heat exchanger lowered in the middle of the V fit perfectly.

To support the extreme power increase, both the chassis and driveline had to be reinforced. The convertible’s inherently soft chassis was upgraded to be stiffer for better handling, on a par with todays’ convertible. A limited slip differential was added for handling to also improve handling and traction. the transmission was reinforced to handle additional power.


This SL500 is equipped with a fully adjustable sport suspension package allowing for the perfect ride height and damper settings in any environment. Finally, the unique custom ceramic brake package designed, engineered and tested to work with the proper balance for the vehicle to manage the increase in speed and performance.

Measuring 415 HP/ 400 LB-FT TQ at the wheel and 501 HP / 482 LB-FT TQ at the crank, this resto mod is certainly measuring up to today’s modern roadster
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I'm with you @gsxr ... I'd expect at least 550/575 from that setup. Do you think it's limited by the torque converter? The C5 RS6 was doing 445/430 out a 4.2L TT on Bosch Motronic 7.1.1. Of course there the torque converters were the weak point. Seems like this setup is capable of more but being purposely held in check, maybe? Maybe even the headers are a cork...

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I don't think it's torque-converter limited. This car has a 722.6 transmission and AMG pushed those to over 500hp at the factory with M120's, and RENNtech has done M120's with nearly 600hp. Of course torque is generally the issue when discussing limiting factors of transmissions, but still, this 6.0L engine is under 500 lb-ft and the M120's have pushed nearly 600 torques through 722.6 converters. M113K's have gone far beyond this level with the 722.6 box.

Headers shouldn't be the limiting factor either, at least at these power levels. I really don't know if they have it purposely detuned for longevity, lacked adequate intercooling, or if the build was just not fully optimized. Strange. Note they don't specify boost pressure or compression ratio, which would be interesting data points.

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Agree indeed, would expect more power from 6L with x2 spools!

Engine aside, love the color, but facelift Sportline (HWA part) does not go with early AMG skirts and rear apron imp, completely different lines imo :peep:
 
Engine aside, love the color, but facelift Sportline (HWA part) does not go with early AMG skirts and rear apron imp, completely different lines imo
Good catch! They did mix Gen1/Gen2 parts. I'm not an R129 guy and didn't notice at first... :facepalm:

...but, I can overlook that due to the twin-turbo 6.0 under the hood!

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...but, I can overlook that due to the twin-turbo 6.0 under the hood!
Good point, fine...

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Considering that getting Gen1 front bumper is considerably easier (and a "bit" cheaper) to obtain than 6.0 twin turbo Renntech engine, huh?

EDIT, and now that I'm done with all the positivity: Rally not loving those wheels... These would have been so much nicer?

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On the engine bay pic you can spot that they used stock exhaust manifolds. Would be nice to see more details. Due to space limitations (and the R129 has considerably more space than our cars) based on this and the provided figures the twin snails could be pretty small so you would have boost from low rpm range but limited top end power.
 
Not much info in that article. Definitely need more pics. I would sure like to see how they installed the hardware. The turbos must be under the car ahead of the CATs. The plumbing has to be a nightmare.
 
Late to the party(by three years), but it would make significantly more sense if they had rear mounted the turbos , a lot less clutter at the front. At least on the US models the passenger side, doesn't leave much room for fun near the stock manifold location(could argue the same for the drivers side with the steering components in plain view). Ideally you would somehow relocate them to be lower near the Oil pressure sensing unit, but that takes up precious real estate for say changing engine mounts(like anyone paying that kinda money would work on it themselves).

I think a rear-mounted parallel setup could be possible if you can find a way to use the either the spare tire well(ideally without interrupting the hydraulic system) or the area to the left of it where the multi-disc changer is fitted for air intake; bonus points if you can somehow pipe the intakes into the tonneau cover(lots of hydraulic lines best use caution). These are the cheap and dirty ways of getting air into the system without worrying about water ingress.

The next hurdle will be getting the intake manifold from turbo to engine , I just watched a video by "official Stacey David" and it might be possible to route the intake manifold feed pipes through the wheelwells and sideskirts. The only major hurdle I can think of outside packaging would be engine management; I'm relatively ignorant of how to go about tuning so I imagine theres someone here that knows a thing or five about AFR's and what the M119 considers safe boost wise; and what is street able (there are plenty of examples of high strung 700+hp m119s out there, but none on the r129 platform).

attached image of my personal m119.982 r129; I've been warned that they aren't nearly as "pressure safe" as the closed deck units. Anyway, if you guys need more pics feel free to ask, perhaps someone will know a better easier to live with way.

Sidenote: I've tried asking around on the facebook SLmodify page but it seems that they are far more snobbish and unwilling to tune than anyone in the 500E community. Which is hilarious considering how few 500E's there are relative to the thousands of R129 SL500s. Hell even the evo2 guys are more experimental than the r129 groups and I just don't get it.
 

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Many years ago, Mongillo Motors built a rear-mount turbo SL500. Claimed power was nearly identical to RENNtech's twin-turbo build. The original website is long dead, but I mirrored it at W124performance - link below:

https://www.w124performance.com/ima...mirror/Mongillo_Motors_Mercedes_SL500_STS.htm


1997 Merecedes SL500
Owner: Rob Hancock

Mongillo Motors/STS Custom Remote-Mount Turbo System
67mm Garrett Turbo
2-Nozzle Methanol Injection System
Mongillo Motors Tune
MSD Boost-A-Pump
Mongillo Motors 35mm Blow-Off Valve
6000K HID Headlights
Digital Wide-Band
Vari-Cool Controller
Digital Boost Gauge with Peak Recall
MegaSquirt Engine Management Computer

416 RWHP & 478 RWTQ
 
Many years ago, Mongillo Motors built a rear-mount turbo SL500. Claimed power was nearly identical to RENNtech's twin-turbo build. The original website is long dead, but I mirrored it at W124performance - link below:

https://www.w124performance.com/ima...mirror/Mongillo_Motors_Mercedes_SL500_STS.htm
ooo...... they mounted the pump booster to the swing out light bar ; probably a smaller unit available with todays tech though. so that shouldn't be an issue ,maybe something from haltech. space wise it does look like twins are possible. even better looks like we can improve on the charge pipe routing by using u.s drivers side wheelwells and skirts(just enough space if using smaller turbos).

any idea what flow rates the m119 likes, its been stated time and time again that the heads are super optimized from factory(something about the original m119 heads being a modification to an amg m117 testmule?). so I was just wondering what you guys have found to work impeller sizes and the like.
 
What the fu... is this for holy piece of shi.. How houres later you have boost Pressure in the front box??
Lag is a non issue with modern turbos, not to mention this a v8 that flows really well, on a shortened platform. There are plenty of other rearmount v8 setups to look at too, but it is extremely rare for the m119. Actually forced induction in general is rare for this engine.
 

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