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YouTuber buys 500E (Video - Hoovies Garage)

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One of my favorite car channels on YouTube, Hoovie's Garage, has a W124.036 in its future.

Hoovie is a bit crazy, but in a good way. The kind of crazy we all might indulge in, circumstances permitting. He has a "hooptie fleet" of interesting vehicles that is frequently changing. The ones he buys are often sight-unseen and are the cheapest for sale in the USA. He often sells vehicles on much later at a loss, after doing lots of work to them.

Seems he's bought the cheapest E500E he could find. Stay tuned to this post or subscribe to his channel.

 
Yes, he still owns an R107 - his first or 2nd car, I believe - that he bought from his grandmother, so he actually does know better than to buy the "cheapest in the country" but that's all part of the entertainment.
 
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And many of the things Scotty K claims are either misstatements or gross misrepresentations, too. I watched about a minute of one of his videos. That’s all I could take.

To clarify, he does point out weaknesses and issues the cars have, however, he makes them sound far worse than they really are, I think.

Dan
 
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OK, I'll be the contrarian. I've been subscribed to his (Tyler Hoover, not Scotty) channel for a long time, and if you can get over the basic schtick of him getting hosed on buying the cheapest whatever and "sorting" it, thereby losing a wad of money, I find it entertaining. He does his homework and is quite knowledgeable about cars. As others have said, he used to have a used car dealership and posted a lot on peachparts, ex mercedesshop. It will be interesting to see the sorting of this 500E. And the same applies to some extent with the "Car Wizard" who does all his work. At first I was turned off by the guy, but he's actually a pretty good mechanic, as far as I can tell. Works on a wide variety of exotics, as well as "normal" cars. Does not seem to cut corners, and appears to know the quirks of what he's working on, etc.
 
Speaking of that. Scotty K is one of the biggest nails-on-chalkboarders, and boy does he rag on Mercedes...

He makes valid points on those cars though, nothing I have not heard from my friends whom work in the field
 
Tyler's a Mercedes Benz guy. He's been a part of the MercedesShop forum / Peachparts since the early 2000 and I think might still be a moderator on the open discussion section. He's shown up to at least one Centerville event in his R107 500SL.

I've not seen the 500E video yet but for the most part, I enjoy his videos because he seems to like the same cars that I do.
 
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A typical Hoovie purchase, all in all: he got a 1992 500E locally for only $10,000, but the vehicle has clearly seen better days. Probably $15,000+ in deferred maintenance, including a misfiring engine and upper and/or lower wiring harnesses.

Stay tuned to this thread for his inevitable follow up video, the "This is everything wrong with X", where he brings his latest acquisitions to his mechanic, "the Car Wizard", who has probably been able to put the next 10 generations of his family through college with the money he's made off Hoovie.

 
We here at the forum already know it will be a money pit..But Should be entertaining to watch.

I must say those are the ugliest set of wheels I have ever seen on a 500E! makes it look 10 years older.
 
I finally watched the Hoover video. At least most of his info was accurate about the 036 production, but some of his claims as to what was wrong (and the powertrain being "screwed") was sheer YouTube sensationalism, and almost completely wrong. I hope he was doing that on purpose, and doesn't actually believe what he said. (Example: Wiring harness deterioration does not cause intermittent misfiring.)

Anyway - I'd have been all over a 110kmi odometer from KS (no rust) for $10k. Figure <$10k in parts to restore, couple hundred hours of labor, sell on BaT for $40k+. Wouldn't be surprised if he does exactly that.

Check out the YT comments, btw. People coming out of the woodwork with diagnoses. I hope Hoovie visits this forum instead of the other places he usually hangs out. I wanted to reply to some of the comments but YouTube is forcing me to create a "channel" just to comment, which I ain't gonna do. Already people saying he has to put Euro lights on, and not a single person pointing out the 036 lights are unique, not to mention NLA/unobtanium... so if he did install (standard, non-036-specific) Euro lights it would devalue the car and make the light output worse for night driving. *sigh*

:hornets:
 
That car is worth far more in parts, at $10K, than it is to put the $20K+ into it that restoring it into a daily driver is going to require. I seriously doubt if Hoovie is going to spend that kind of dough to do the car proper. Rather, he'll get it running more or less smoothly (not too difficult with an M119), and claim he put $500 into making it an excellent daily driver, and call it victory and move on to the next car. Hoovie is the new generation of "Ballin' on a Budget" types -- so you've finally shucked that moniker for good with the silver car, Dave !! :stickpoke:

$10K is about the going rate these days for a running parts car. The .036 is getting too valuable, and many parts are getting too rare, that using the lowest-on-the-totempole cars as donators is going to increasingly be the way things go.
 
Gerry, I think you missed the part about rust-free, and the odometer reading. We've seen salvaged wrecks as confirmed sales over $10k. Running parts cars sell for more. He stole that thing IMO.
 
The .036 is getting too valuable, and many parts are getting too rare, that using the lowest-on-the-totempole cars as donators is going to increasingly be the way things go.

I think that front number-plate-blanking-strip on that car is NLA!
 
I think in this case, while it may cost Hoovie $20K+ to bring it back, he'll make it back easily (and then some) from his YouTube channel over time. When he eventually sells it (possibly at a loss) it really won't matter.
 
I think in this case, while it may cost Hoovie $20K+ to bring it back, he'll make it back easily (and then some) from his YouTube channel over time. When he eventually sells it (possibly at a loss) it really won't matter.

Yeah! And he'll get to deduct the cost of the car and any work done to it against his income!
 
I think in this case, while it may cost Hoovie $20K+ to bring it back, he'll make it back easily (and then some) from his YouTube channel over time. When he eventually sells it (possibly at a loss) it really won't matter.
Somehow, I doubt that Hoovie is going to "invest" any $20K he makes on his YouTube channel, into a measly 500E. That's just silly, given other cars that he has been involved with.

Yeah! And he'll get to deduct the cost of the car and any work done to it against his income!
Smart guy, if he does. But you already knew that.
 
IMHO, this **IS** a running parts car. That's my point. Whether or not he stole it is immaterial. It's a parts car at that price, worth more to part out than to try to bring back to life.
I'm not following the logic here. You'd have a hard time getting $10k in parts if dismantled. And there's no visible rust, damage, salvage, etc. So it needs ignition parts, reverse clutches, maybe a used diff, radiator, and fluids/filters. How does this make it a rolling parts car? Especially when the odometer will sell for ±$40k once the rest of the car is restored. Even assuming a pessimistic $20k cost to restore, that's still $10k profit.

I get you are yanking my chain, but remember this forum is read by people worldwide who don't understand the inside jokes. It sounds like you consider the car not worth restoring, which I believe is not accurate. It doesn't have enough substantially wrong with it.

:gvzgsxr:
 
"Speaking of that. Scotty K is one of the biggest nails-on-chalkboarders, and boy does he rag on Mercedes..."

He's ripe for parody:

(waving his hands around) "PEOPLE ASK ME, SCOTTY, SHOULD I BUY A MERCEDES? AND I SAY WHY WOULD YOU BUY A MERCEDES THAT BREAKS AND COSTS YOU ELEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS! BUY A HORSE AND BUGGY INSTEAD! OR BETTER YET, JUST WALK! ALL YOU NEED TO PAY FOR IS SHOES!!"
 
I'm not following the logic here. You'd have a hard time getting $10k in parts if dismantled. And there's no visible rust, damage, salvage, etc. So it needs ignition parts, reverse clutches, maybe a used diff, radiator, and fluids/filters. How does this make it a rolling parts car? Especially when the odometer will sell for ±$40k once the rest of the car is restored. Even assuming a pessimistic $20k cost to restore, that's still $10k profit.

I get you are yanking my chain, but remember this forum is read by people worldwide who don't understand the inside jokes. It sounds like you consider the car not worth restoring, which I believe is not accurate. It doesn't have enough substantially wrong with it.
Add up the common maintenance items, plus what you list above, plus a bit more for things that will be discovered along the way.

It's not a matter of this car being WORTH restoring. It's more of a practical matter: who on God's Green Earth is going to spend $10K for this car, and then spend another $20K+ to bring it up to a decent (that means a good quality daily driver, perhaps something that would look nice at a Cars and Coffee) standard ... when they could just pay $30-35K up front and buy a FAR better car right now?

VERY VERY VERY few people. Very few people. Maybe you. Maybe. Me? I'd take @Ntrepid 's or @8899 's cars 8 days a week over this one. Because getting a sorted car that works as it was designed to is worth a big premium over the $10K for this car. The folks who bought Robert's and Greg's cars are the ones who got the "steal" deals, not Hoovie. Because not only do Robert's and Greg's buyers get well-sorted cars that have been intelligently and conscientiously maintained, they get years worth of proper E500E fun.

Meanwhile, Hoovie is going to be sitting around futzing with this and that to get his $10K 500E running 50% the way it should, and even then it will never be right. Eventually he'll give up on it and move to the next shiny thing. Or I dunno, maybe he'll take $20K+ from YouTube channel profits and sink it into this car, and challenge 600Eric to win the next Legends of the Autobahn judging.

The value of a parts car is not (necessarily) to buy the car for $10K and then disassemble it, and sell every flower-bolt for $50 and transmission support bracket for $200, and front fenders for $500 apiece, until you recoup your money. It's to provide a supply of used parts, to replace NLA parts, to help keep the better cars on the road.

It's a food chain. It's just not economically feasible nor viable to invest tens of thousands of dollars to bring a low-end example up to snuff, when you can pay the same or less and enjoy a far better car now. Sure it's harsh. Sure, it's black and white. Sure, it's a bit of a chain-yank (only for you, because you do most of your own work, and your perspective is skewed and not indicative of the real world), but it's true.

How many people in the 500E community have EVER taken a decent example and brought it back to a "Lowmania" level stellar condition car. I can think of 600Eric (better than it left the factory), and perhaps our Norwegian friend, and 1-2 others over the years. 600Eric's car was actually quite decent to begin with (I saw it up close several times before he bought it). Others have taken decent cars and made them more decent, perhaps repainting them and doing some mechanical resto. Plenty of folks have done this, but they are not spending huge bucks to do this. Nobody (save for a few folks above) is spending $50K on bringing a low-end E500E up to a higher end one. It's simply easier to just spend the $30-40K and get a really nice one to begin with.

Many folks here just say "screw it" and opt to sell and get a better/newer car, like an AMG whatever or a Porsche. I can think of a couple of current longer-term forum members who have either bailed out, or have one foot out of the E500E ownership door, or will be exiting shortly.

90% of the lower end cars are NEVER going to get any better than they are today. In fact, most of them will seriously deteriorate in the future. Only the better cars around today (the condition 1s, 2s and the cream of the cream of the crop 3s) are going to be the survivors. Here in the US, in another 10 years, we are talking ~500 examples at best (out of 1,500+ imported).
 
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Gerry, I get where you are coming from. However your assumption is based on the buyer having $30K+ to drop on a nice 036, right now. With the market climbing, I believe there are a decent number of people who can't afford that much, but could swing $10k to buy now, and then slowly restore it over time, spreading the other $10-$20k out over 5-10 years. In the end the expense is more or less the same. And if values keep going up, it would be a smart move. Again, the abnormally low odometer on this one skews the scenario... most in this condition are in the 200k range, where the ROI starts getting a lot more iffy.

But I do agree 100% that if you have $40k in your pocket and are ready to buy, it totally makes more sense to buy an Ntrepid/8899 car that is turn-key & ready to roll.

:grouphug:
 
Gerry is certainly right about some E500Es giving their lives to ensure others live in the future: happens with many classics, and also right to question who goes out and finds the cheapest one in the USA with the goal of spending 2-3x its purchase price and having it stay in the shop (or the garage) for weeks and months and years when it's obviously better to spend your money up front. YouTubers do, that's who. That is Hoovie's shtick, after all.

As gsxr says though, there is something to be said about buying low and restoring as funding permits (esp. if you can do some of the work yourself).

I think the only question might be: at what point does a car enter donor territory, what price/condition?

His inevitable follow up video, "Everything Wrong with X" might help give an answer.
 
Worth noting once again that Hoovie is not unfamiliar with Mercs, they're the cars that got him started on his borderline compulsive car buying behaviour. His first car was a hand-me-down, grey-market R107.

 
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Gerry, I get where you are coming from. However your assumption is based on the buyer having $30K+ to drop on a nice 036, right now. With the market climbing, I believe there are a decent number of people who can't afford that much, but could swing $10k to buy now, and then slowly restore it over time, spreading the other $10-$20k out over 5-10 years. In the end the expense is more or less the same. And if values keep going up, it would be a smart move. Again, the abnormally low odometer on this one skews the scenario... most in this condition are in the 200k range, where the ROI starts getting a lot more iffy.

But I do agree 100% that if you have $40k in your pocket and are ready to buy, it totally makes more sense to buy an Ntrepid/8899 car that is turn-key & ready to roll.

:grouphug:

All carping aside, whether it's a 500E or a 1971 VW convertible, it's ALWAYS less expensive in the long run to buy the best car you can possibly afford. I learned this many years ago with the first car I restored. It cost me $400 to buy and three years later and about $11k out of pocket, not to mention the hundreds of hours spent of my own time, it was worth maybe, just maybe, $8k. If I was going to keep it forever and ever, sure, you could rationalize the costs. But I didn't. And I lost about $5k when I sold it.

Not that it matters, but this was pre-Internet/eBay/BaT, etc.

Failed or stalled projects are often a good source of deals, too...

Dan

1971 VW Convertible - 1.jpg
 
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Tugging prices out of my opinion hole:
Front Bumper $900
Rear Bumper $700
Pair of Front Fender/Cladding $1300
Pair of Rear 1/4 Panel $900
Engine $1300
Tranny $500
Seats $800
EZL $350
LH Module $150
GM Module $100
Diff, $450
Badge $100
That leaves Misc and/or miscalculation at $2450
And gents, that would bring us to $10K

But my point, it is much better to keep this car alive than to part if out, because the cars these parts would be going to are probably, in some peoples minds, a rolling parts cars.......so what is the point of selling your liver to an alcoholic?
 
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For the math gurus....
Your buy a 500e, it cost you $10K, later you find out the deferred maintenance is about $10K, but the car will be worth $19,999 after you do the maintenance. Would it make more sense to part the car out if the sum of its parts are worth $10,001?
 
For the math gurus....
Your buy a 500e, it cost you $10K, later you find out the deferred maintenance is about $10K, but the car will be worth $19,999 after you do the maintenance. Would it make more sense to part the car out if the sum of its parts are worth $10,001?


The answer is that you don't buy the $10K car, because you've invested a modest amount of up front research to learn about what you'd be facing with buying a clapped-out 036.
 
The guy knows Mercs guys.....whether it is advisable to buy a cheap 500E or not is immaterial. He needs content for his channel. It is nothing more complex than that. I would be more inclined to watch him work on this 500e than most any other car model or other brand.

The forum here is a great source of knowledge, but sometimes folks have the tendency to take this stuff to an extreme or anything related to these cars way too seriously.
 
The guy knows Mercs guys.....whether it is advisable to buy a cheap 500E or not is immaterial. He needs content for his channel. It is nothing more complex than that. I would be more inclined to watch him work on this 500e than most any other car model or other brand.

The forum here is a great source of knowledge, but sometimes folks have the tendency to take this stuff to an extreme or anything related to these cars way too seriously.


If I'm an annoying, click-bait youtuber, then sure. Content. Guffaws. Splashy video titles. etc, etc, etc.

But the question wasn't framed as such.

Throwing $10K at a $10K car is simply a bad idea.
 
Ace you insinuated that he knew nothing of these cars.

Uhhh...... Where exactly did I do that?

My posts aren't exactly subtle. Never have been, never will be. Regardless of the forum.

I know some folks really like that dude's channel. But it's like nails on a chalkboard to me. Same for Shmee.
The answer is that you don't buy the $10K car, because you've invested a modest amount of up front research to learn about what you'd be facing with buying a clapped-out 036.
If I'm an annoying, click-bait youtuber, then sure. Content. Guffaws. Splashy video titles. etc, etc, etc.

But the question wasn't framed as such.

Throwing $10K at a $10K car is simply a bad idea.
 
The guy knows Mercs guys.....whether it is advisable to buy a cheap 500E or not is immaterial. He needs content for his channel. It is nothing more complex than that. I would be more inclined to watch him work on this 500e than most any other car model or other brand.

The forum here is a great source of knowledge, but sometimes folks have the tendency to take this stuff to an extreme or anything related to these cars way too seriously.
I think you may be referring to a comment that was on the BaT auction that ended yesterday, where Hoovie was being discussed. There was a commenter called "@UnhingedTroll" who said Hoovie had no idea how over his head he was getting into by buying and attempting to fix up a $10K E500E.

As @ace10 says, IMHO it's a fool's errand. I don't think anyone made any comments about Hoovie's knowledge about Mercs, or abilities to fix things up -- only that he was getting himself into a deep hole by trying to do so.


He needs content for his channel. It is nothing more complex than that.
A sad commentary on society. Though I guess like flippers, a guy has to make a buck, and being a YouTube "influencer" seems to be a way that a few people are actually making money these days. Enjoy THAT gravy train while it lasts. I'll stick to a well-balanced investment strategy myself. And unfortunately, I won't be contributing to Hoovie's retirement fund by wasting my time watching his videos. I've got a forum to run for y'all, and cars of my own to maintain in my spare time.


The forum here is a great source of knowledge, but sometimes folks have the tendency to take this stuff to an extreme or anything related to these cars way too seriously.

We have a serious and dedicated group of enthusiasts here, who actually care about the cars and the market around them. There are folks here (myself included) who don't like exploitation and call it out when they see it.

I don't see Jay Leno in his car videos exploiting anything. He's all about the cars, and the experience driving, owning and maintaining them. And I don't see Uncle Kent exploiting anything. Many of his videos actually add value and support the kits and parts that he sells Merc owners. Neither feels hype-y or "click-baity" to me at all.


For the math gurus....
Your buy a 500e, it cost you $10K, later you find out the deferred maintenance is about $10K, but the car will be worth $19,999 after you do the maintenance. Would it make more sense to part the car out if the sum of its parts are worth $10,001?
IMHO a good rolling parts-quality E500E **is** worth parting out.

The issue is that sure, you can put $10K of parts (and untold amounts of labor, for free) into a $10K rolling parts donator 500E, and probably bring it to a level where it has some level of reliability and decent functionality.

My problem with the "Hoovie" situation is that he is buying this $10K car, and will do whatever he does to it, to improve it. But he will NEVER really enjoy the unique joys of driving a 500E that is in proper nick (as the Brits say) -- that is operating as it was designed to operate. Sure he can say he owns and drives a 500E, for the bragging rights.

And THAT is the reason why it is a FAR better idea to pay $35K for a properly maintained 500E, that runs and operates as it was designed to do, over a $10K parts donator with $10K or parts thrown at it to keep it rolling and running. There is A LOT of intrinsic driving enjoyment and value that is obtained from a properly working car that is worth a lot of money -- at least to those who value such. I bet that very few owners "stumble" upon the .036 as a daily driver/transportation. Most everyone knows what the car is when they buy it.
 
I am not into the Hoovie channel. I don't have the time to watch it, You get better mileage investing your time here on this site as there are very good how to threads and people here who are very helpful and willing to share their knowledge.

As far as what to do with a rolling parts car, I tend to want to keep them alive. I feel that a very entry level car could make an entry level enthusiast with an entry level budget fairly happy. I like the idea of growing the 500e community by increasing the number of 500e owners.
 
Like his channel or not, he has 700k subs and is filming a reality show for TV: the result being, his buying an E500E could move the needle on the demand side. And with supply restricted, in theory this - and any other mass-media coverage - would raise values for our cars.
 
I am on holiday at the moment and using my mobile phone to post. But I feel I must comment on this expectation by some that a cheap 500E is to be considered a "rolling parts donor" and nothing more.

As stated here by others I think parting a 500E out will fall well short of 10k and why would you do that?? These are fast appreciating, highly collectable cars becoming rarer and rarer as we know. We havent seen very much of Hoovies 500E yet so let's not jump to conclusions just yet. IF it Is an honest car with no accident damage, rust etc and needing the typical neglected items taken care of BUT priced accordingly then it was well bought IMHO.

Some members are suggesting that putting 10k into a 10k car will not make sense. Well..... I put it to you - wouldn't the new expenditure and maintenance ADD to the cars market value? Aka after putting 10k into a 10k car it will be worth more than the prior purchase price since it can now been demonstrated that some essential items have been taken care of properly.

We see here (like Greg's recent sale) how board member's cars which have had great recent service records and maintenance items taken care of fetch very strong money.

Ref Hoovie- I have been watching his channel for a couple of years. He seems to be a nice guy and most importantly has fun wheeling and dealing older / interesting cars. Always being honest when he makes mistakes (most of the time he gets hosed on repair Bills by the wizard) and seeing his channel develop is enjoyable for me personally. I have no reason to judge beyond what it is - entertainment value and for that I will be staying tuned. I was excited to learn he did pick up a 500E and I'm even more looking forward to the next video where we can actually see it closer in the flesh and what typical issues it will have that needs addressed. (It was sitting in the background in the wizards shop in another video a day or two ago)

It appears to me that the biggest issue with this 500E is the price he paid for it! Maybe he just got an honest car needing some TLC for the right price?

Now if Hoovie were to DIY all of his repairs that 500E would be a home run IMO. But it is likely most of his expenditure will be on the wizard's labour rates and I dont know just how experienced the wizard is on these older MBs either.

We see E500Es being misrepresented by flippers for exaggerated figures which have possible salvage titles and lots of the typical deferred maintenance on board to boot. That situation would be a much worse buy than a potentially honest car requiring TLC sold for a reasonable sum.
 
Vid has 330k views right now. I wouldn't worry about how much he'll need to spend on it, it's the only 500E on the planet that's making someone money.
 
All carping aside ... it's ALWAYS less expensive in the long run to buy the best car you can possibly afford.
Absolutely correct! But if you want to join the 036 Club™ and don't have $30k-$50k to buy a really nice one, what's an enthusiast to do?


Throwing $10K at a $10K car is simply a bad idea.
Maybe. Maybe not. If the end result is a car worth $20k, it's not that bad of an idea. If you spend $20k and end up with something still only worth $10k, uh... that's not good.


I feel that a very entry level car could make an entry level enthusiast with an entry level budget fairly happy. I like the idea of growing the 500e community by increasing the number of 500e owners.
Totally agree. It's hard to put a price on happiness. Some folks on a budget who love the 124 might be thrilled to actually own a piece of history, even if it's a high-mile, faded-paint, needs-TLC example. As I discussed back in post #30. (Disclaimer - I'm biased, as most of my fleet falls into this category!)

:grouphug:
 
Our opinion doesn't really matter because ultimately the market determines whether to save them. We are already at a point where the least of them barely gets under 10K and they haven't reached their
prime collectibility point at 30-40 years old. As the prices go up it makes less and less sense to crush one.
 
I don’t think anyone is talking about CRUSHING (destroying) the worst-off cars. At least for me, my thesis / premise has always been to DISMANTLE the basket-case cars and use the parts to keep others on the road.

NO ONE is ever going to restore a 500E basket case when 10K Hoovie models or 15K “drivers” or 20K BaT katarakidd flipper-dealer specials are available.

I have always believed (and honestly have never seen it really disproved) the old adage “The most expensive car you can buy is a cheap Mercedes.”

Personally I’ve always bought the very best example I could.

I’ve never been burned yet.
 

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