M119 Flywheel lock tool Group Buy

[JC220]

Thanks all who voted and im going to call it at Silver finish as all no preference. I will order up the hardware on that basis

 

[r44raven]

Current list who have expressed interest so far:

(I am taking this as 1x PAIR of tools each at £100GBP. If incorrect please advise)

@gerryvz
@gsxr
@nocfn
@chicky
@bb1
@r44raven
@jaymanek
@500AMM
@skikrazey
@744Brillantsilber
@doolar

11x + 1 for me in first batch brings it to 12. If anyone else is on the fence and wants a set speak now and ill see if I can extend 1st batch numbers by 1 or 2 more sets.

If anyone tagged above is no longer interested due to the passage of time that is no problem at all but do please let me know here or by PM!

There is now a poll on this thread for preffered zinc colour of the new tools. The factory MB m119 crank lock tool is silver zinc but happy to go with silver or yellow zinc depending on which gets the most votes, so please vote in poll now! (A couple weeks away from plating stage but I would like to start ordering in the hardware)

Sorry, just come to this post a bit late. Can't quite remember why I would have expressed interest in one of these tools! Must have had a senior moment! So please exclude me from any potential purchase. With apologies.

 

[JC220]

Sorry, just come to this post a bit late. Can't quite remember why I would have expressed interest in one of these tools! Must have had a senior moment! So please exclude me from any potential purchase. With apologies.

No problem at all, thanks for letting me know!

 

[JC220]

I am still awaiting the first test plates to be watercut. But as it happens I have just bought a 3D printer and got it delivered yesterday (500E rear arch spats anyone?) So a great first test project was to go ahead and print the crank tools today.

More work to be done tomorrow but ill now be able to prototype the parts with my new 3D printer and send final CAD files to the watercut guy early next week removing the step of getting him to cut 1x test plate first.

Sneak peak at first print today:





I am very pleased with the fitment and I plan to test fit the lower bellhousing tool on my 500E tomorrow. Whilst I have spare m119 engine and transmission in my garage I would rather test the lower tool in an actual car to ensure 100% perfect. It's easy for me to make tiny 0.00 mm accurate adjustments.

Don't worry I'm not sending 3D printed lock tools - 100% steel

 

[JC220]

I carried out a test fit of the 3d Printed lock tool on my 500E. The bolts dropped in perfectly, really pleased!



(Ignore bolts those are just what I could grab in my garage to test fit)

I have also added a star on this tool type. I have final design now to leave with the watercut guy this evening. So in a couple of weeks I should have those plates and be able to commence the TIG welding.

 

[nocfn]

Will this will fit the M117 as well, at least the factory tool does...?

 

[JC220]

Will this will fit the M117 as well, at least the factory tool does...?

That's a good question, my bother has an ex African embassy S500 but its been about 20 years since I worked on it so I dont recall the bellhousing pattern.

Do we know does the same transmission from a m119 mate to m117 engines? If so one or other tool may fit but someone would have to try it out.

The lock tools here are designed with m119 in mind. If there was sufficient interest and it is different, I could always look at m117 tools next

 

[JC220]

One minor note worth adding. It may look like the custom tool doesn't fully cover the width of the ring gear:



But it is the same approx coverage as the factory tool when flipped the other way



Otherwise it just ends up far too heavy overall! And no need to cover the whole width of the ring gear it gets plenty of purchase.

 

[JC220]

Will this will fit the M117 as well, at least the factory tool does...?

I checked and have access to an m117 V8 so I could look at that too but after these 12x get done and away to those who have waited this long!

Are there no readily available crank lock tools for the m117 V8? So a rear mounted custom tool like this one would have some interest would that be fair in saying?

 

[gsxr]

The factory lock tool has a 116- part number prefix. I'm almost certain the same (factory) tool will fit the M116, M117, and M119 engines. I believe the transmission bellhousing pattern is the same as well.

https://www.500eboard.co/forums/misc/Manuals/Servicev3.2/W124/w124CD1/Program/Engine/119/03-5000.pdf

@gerryvz ??

 

[gsxr]

The factory lock tool is still available new (116-589-01-40-00, ~$280 USD) but requires a special bracket if the transmission is removed. And, the price is quite high.

The bracket is NLA, which is what prompted the need for an alternative to allow tightening the flex plate bolts:

 

[gerryvz]

The factory (and quality aftermarket) crankshaft lock tool is the same for the M117 and M119, yes.

The M104 uses a different lock tool. I acquired one for the work I am doing currently on my G320. I believe this M104 tool also may be used in common with certain diesel models, as well as the M103.


Please see the post below from my 2020 Engine Bay Refresh thread, which shows the crank lock, and it being put into position on the M119. I made the notation in the accompanying text, that the same tool works for the M117.

This is a factory-pattern tool, I believe perhaps from Baum? Or maybe I got it from MB, I can't remember.....I think aftermarket though.

RESTO PROJECT: M119 / W124 / E500 Engine Top-End Refresh | Member Roadtrips and Project Journals

Last night and today I tackled a few jobs, totaling around 3.5 hours. I ended up getting stuck for about an hour of that time with the lower banjo bolt of the transmission cooler line, where it goes into the radiator. Finally got it, but it took a lot of messing around to break it loose. After...

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[gsxr]

The M104 uses a different lock tool. I acquired one for the work I am doing currently on my G320. I believe this M104 tool also may be used in common with certain diesel models, as well as the M103.

Correct. All OM60x diesel engines, and M103/M104, use a different lock tool: 601-589-02-40-00 (also around $280 for OE... ouch!)

There's yet another lock tool (112-589-03-40-00) for engines M112, 113, 137, 155, 156, 272, 273, and OM629, OM642 diesels. MB is equally proud of this tool at ~$250.

Most all of these have aftermarket copies available for much lower pricing. JC220's tools are different because they allow locking the M119 flywheel with the transmission removed, without the additional factory bracket tool. And, his "extra" rectangle tool allows locking the flywheel without installing the $$$ factory tool in place of the cover plate on the driver side of the transmission.

 

[JC220]

Sorry for the lack of updates- it wasn't my fault this time!

The supplier let me down. I waited 6 weeks and when I went to collect the parts I rejected them as they weren't to my standards.

So today I am glad to report another supplier came through and I am very pleased with the quality. Laser cut is more accurate than water cut so I went that route second time around.



(Light dross still to be cleaned off the part edges)

Perfect this time. Now I can start the welding and within the next week or two they will be away for the final step - zinc plating.

I will send PMs to those signed up to date next week to get addresses for shipping quotes and payments can proceed please these are not far away from being ready to go now

 

[BVC500]

Hi, I’d like to buy one but I’m having trouble PM’ing you. Currently in this predicament with my m119.

 

[JC220]

Hi, I’d like to buy one but I’m having trouble PM’ing you. Currently in this predicament with my m119.

Hi, as a new member you won't have PM privileges. If you want to email me on [email deleted] Ill pick it up there. Once I hear from you ill ask mods to blank out my email if possible.

 

[BVC500]

Hi, as a new member you won't have PM privileges. If you want to email me on jo124@live.co.uk Ill pick it up there. Once I hear from you ill ask mods to blank out my email if possible.

Just emailed. Thanks!

 

[500AMM]

Just a comment/question:
The stock tool grips over 5 teeth on the flywheel, while your tool grips over 3 teeth. Is that calculated or considered satisfactory?
I assume it is no hardening of the tool, which would have driven the price considerably up.

 

[JC220]

Just a comment/question:
The stock tool grips over 5 teeth on the flywheel, while your tool grips over 3 teeth. Is that calculated or considered satisfactory?
I assume it is no hardening of the tool, which would have driven the price considerably up.

The stock tool is curved outward away from the flywheel so the teeth dont all fully engage



There is no need to harden the tools they are plenty strong, I have made and used similar ones years ago.

 

[500AMM]

OK, thanks for clarifying, Joe!
Real life testing is always affirmative.

 

[nocfn]

Balls! I never got back on this. If you have a spare, PM me the instructions to purchase via PM.

 

[JC220]

Balls! I never got back on this. If you have a spare, PM me the instructions to purchase via PM.

No problem, all of these ones in the first production run are already spoken for unless someone drops out. There have also been a few other members asked me for more so the good news is I will do a second production run later this year.

For now I am continuing to weld the current set for the very patient members to date

 

[nocfn]

OK, PM me when a spare comes up from unclaimed requests or new run lot.

 

[500AMM]

OK, PM me when a spare comes up from unclaimed requests or new run lot.

You can get mine for $5000...

 

[nocfn]

WIll you take 4950?

 

[500AMM]

Hmmm - have to think about that for a couple of years.

 

[gerryvz]

I am glad to see that my $5,000/EUR 5.000 pricing philosophy for NLA parts is spreading. It can be quite lucrative.....

 

[nocfn]

LOL I would just have the shop do the work @ $385 with a warranty LOL.

 

[JC220]

Hi all who are within the first production run. I have added some extra preperation / finishing steps to the tools which is taking more time but its became somewhat of an obsession so the wait will be worth it! I will have the welding and finishing work completed this weekend and I plan to drop the tools off with a local supplier for the final Zinc Plating process within the next 7 - 10 days. I will post photo updates of the tools in due course.

That last step will take approx. 2 – 3 weeks for Zinc plating so target of Mid / Late October for the tools to be shipped out.

To date I have completed the R&D reaching the finished tool designs, paid the laser cut suppliers which was several hundred pounds, paid for the hardware and other consumables including welding supplies. I have also purchased additional equipment such as a metal belt sander for enhanced finishing stages not originally planned but all good.

At this time I would like to request payment less shipping for the tools via Paypal please. This is of the agreed amount of £100 per set of tools for the first production run. To be honest I priced them too low for the work involved but that’s my problem and I am staying with that price for 1st production run as quoted initially. (2nd run will only have a marginal uplift in cost also, nothing crazy)

2nd produciton run planned for the New Year, if anyone wants added please post here

I will send PM’s shortly to those in the first run including my Paypal details for the £100 GBP. (If someone wants to drop out I will not be offended and be aware the tools then go to next in line) Please also provide your full shipping address in the PM so I can check postage costs. Postage costs are not included in the £100 and will be requested by way of a separate additional Paypal payment before shipping in October – please bear that in mind. I can get competitive international postage quotes so should be no surprises. If you prefer a postage quote before payment of the £100 let me know and ill sort that for you within the PMs. Customs or other duties are the responsibility of the purchaser. In the case of USA the customs duties are £10.50 (10% plus a 50p handling fee by royal mail). In most cases I will declare the items as gifts to help you out RE Duties wherever possible.

 

[gsxr]

Payment sent - thank you for all the effort on this, Joe!

FYI to everyone else here in the colonies, the $$ to ££ exchange rate is lousy at the moment. £100 translates into almost $150 USD with PP fees.

PayPal's Conversion Rate: $1.00 USD = £0.70 GB

Still a good deal for the 2 lock tools!!

 

[JC220]

I am about another 6x hours into the crank lock tools towards finishing. For the main, larger lock tools I added a few extra steps to make these as nice as they can be Ill show the steps as follows:

Grind out recesses for the welds and 3D print tight fitting alignment jigs:



High amp MIG welds:



Then I bought a new metal working belt sander. Welds and edges linished square and smooth:





Then the extra step I mentioned, I am milling a champher on the top edges of the tools:



All 12x up to the same stage and all that's left on these ones is to make jigs and weld the teeth parts on tomorrow:



The other 12x smaller lock tools have been wire buffed and prepared for the welding on of the dowels. The dowels are all cut on my bandsaw so it's taking a few hours of setup to get through them all.

Thank you to those members who have responded to PMs and sent payment.

 

[JC220]

There is 1no lock tool set which has become available within this first production run. If any member was on the fence now is the chance to nab a set!

If interested please reply here