Bolt on performance exhaust for the 500e (testing waters)

[5thscaleracer]

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<br>[video=youtube_share;M4_yPmH44NA]http://youtu.be/M4_yPmH44NA[/video]


Going to put this to bed for a while till 2015.

Happy Holidays guys!

 

[deklamator]

Here is the real Brabus sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y93-yTKpu6A

Custom pipes 60mm

[youtube]y93-yTKpu6A[/youtube]

 

[500AMM]

Contact Sales@Leistungautohaus.com

Going to put this to bed for a while till 2015.

Happy Holidays guys!

Great sound! ...and to my liking better than the Brabus due to a singel pipe in front of the muffler.

I see it the same way, i really considder to get this exhaust if the quality, turn down tips and the sound is to my liking. I don't really believe on a performance gain here - but since it is stainless and will be most probably lighter its a good option anyway and if the possibly bigger diameter of the system eases out the breathing capacity of my upcoming 6 liter conversion then why not.
I hated my Brabus exhaust from the beginning, cut off the tips and turned them 90 degree to get a "original" turn down design just with a bigger diameter.
Like that look of bigger original style tips alot....

+1 on the tips down!

 

[5thscaleracer]

+1 on the tips down!

I should have them by this Friday

 

[Ascension]

Notice you deleted the Volvo 800+ HP out of a 4 post. Think you guys missed the point!!
That Volvo 4 banger engine originally didn't make 150 HP and is like something off a farm tractor in comparison to the design of these M-119 V8's on paper but I have yet to see anybody putting down 500 WHP out of twice the displacement much less 850+ on a dyno at the wheels with tire slip and drive train losses ( that Blue 96 960 I posted the dyno run on boys and girls puts out well over an honest grand at the crank!!). I can show you a dozen Volvos running on the street with inexpensively built and modded old redblock 4's that reliably put 500+ to the pavement. A M119 looking at the design should be an absolute performance beast with a just a few mods but from what I see here they just don't seem to really turn on so I have to wonder why?
Don't get me wrong I love the smoothness and response of mine as a street cruiser, it's glassy smooth + I am getting MUCH better fuel mileage than I ever dreamed of with the 420. The M119 is a cosmetically attractive engine and from the internal design one would think they should have terrific performance potential so??
I'm not playing the Volvo vs MB thing here honestly this all makes no sense to me??

 

[Ascension]

Contact Sales@Leistungautohaus.com
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Going to put this to bed for a while till 2015.

Happy Holidays guys!

Man got to say that system looks really nice and sounds great!!
Am looking forward to the dyno numbers soon!

 

[5thscaleracer]

I am warning all of you now...

Here is a Go Pro Vid of the exhaust with outside and inside cabin recordings.

The purpose for this LONG BORING video is to give you an idea of what to expect when used in the real world. The biggest challenge for this development was to isolate the drone spots and eliminate it completely inside the cabin.

Enjoy!

Fast Fwd to 2:16 if you only want to hear in cabin

[video=youtube_share;YZWVVHAr55o]http://youtu.be/YZWVVHAr55o[/video]

 

[Maui]

I like it. Sent you a PM.

 

[gerryvz]

Sounds like +20 HP for sure !!

 

[Maui]

I'm thinking more like 30, but who's counting?

 

[Ascension]

I am warning all of you now...

Here is a Go Pro Vid of the exhaust with outside and inside cabin recordings.

The purpose for this LONG BORING video is to give you an idea of what to expect when used in the real world. The biggest challenge for this development was to isolate the drone spots and eliminate it completely inside the cabin.

Enjoy!

Fast Fwd to 2:16 if you only want to hear in cabin

[video=youtube_share;YZWVVHAr55o]http://youtu.be/YZWVVHAr55o[/video]

Outstanding!
One serious question here. Is this muffler design going to stay that sound level as it ages?
I ask because the Magnaflow system I put on my current Volvo has changed as it aged in a big way over time. Will this system get progressively louder as it ages like the Magnaflows do or stay pretty much the same for life?

 

[5thscaleracer]

As the packing wears in the loudness will increase. We have kits for the bmw m line up, Mini Cooper, and other privatelabe brands. Based on our track record the avg DB increase is 3-5db at WOT.

The reason why magnaflow, borla, flowmaster dbx series etc. get louder overtime is because of the fiberglass packing that is used. The exhaust soot builds into the glass which prevents its effectiveness from dampening sound waves.

the material that we use in these kits does not allow the soot to clump up and build up excessively over time. This material is the same one commonly used by Remus, Milltek, Scorpion, Akra etc. The material has to be imported in from Europe.

 

[126v8]

Looks like this exhaust is a winner.It sounds better than the brabus and looks quality enough for of the more conservative guys interested.Nice work


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[sheward]

You've managed to get a nice sound, and appropriate lack of sound. Nice work.

drew

 

[gerryvz]

5thscaleracer to all of the E500E exhaust system buyers:

[youtube]mOD0XCm57d8[/youtube]

 

[Ron500E]

SS Wool.
http://steelwooldirect.com/stainless-steel-wool/


R

 

[5thscaleracer]

5thscaleracer to all of the E500E exhaust system buyers:

[youtube]mOD0XCm57d8[/youtube]

I miss that guy

 

[Maui]

5thscaleracer to all of the E500E exhaust system buyers:

[youtube]mOD0XCm57d8[/youtube]

So your saying the chicks dig it?

 

[clarkz71]

Notice you deleted the Volvo 800+ HP out of a 4 post. Think you guys missed the point!!
That Volvo 4 banger engine originally didn't make 150 HP and is like something off a farm tractor in comparison to the design of these M-119 V8's on paper but I have yet to see anybody putting down 500 WHP out of twice the displacement much less 850+ on a dyno at the wheels with tire slip and drive train losses ( that Blue 96 960 I posted the dyno run on boys and girls puts out well over an honest grand at the crank!!). I can show you a dozen Volvos running on the street with inexpensively built and modded old redblock 4's that reliably put 500+ to the pavement. A M119 looking at the design should be an absolute performance beast with a just a few mods but from what I see here they just don't seem to really turn on so I have to wonder why?

The M119 used in the Sauber C11 in mild tune made 950hp in race trim
and 1100 hp in qualifying tune.

Top speed 253 mph. Basically a stock long block with Turbo's

1990 Mercedes-Benz (Sauber) C11[edit]

• Year: 1990
• Make: Mercedes-Benz & Sauber
• Model: C11
• Engine Location: Mid
• Drive Type: Rear Wheel
• Weight: 1995 lb | 904.9 kg

• Engine Configuration: V
• Cylinders: 8
• Aspiration/Induction: Twin-turbocharged
• Displacement: 4973.00 cc | 303.5 cu in. | 5 L.
• Horsepower: 950.00 hp (699.2 kW)
• HP to Weight Ratio: 2.1 lb (0.95 kg) / hp
• HP / Liter: 190.0 bhp / Liter

• Gears: 5 speed
• Transmission: Manual

• Top Speed: >407 km/h (253 mph)

 

[gerryvz]

So your saying the chicks dig it?

Yes....everyone who buys this exhaust is going to get laid !!

 

[Klink]

The M119 used in the Sauber C11 in mild tune made 950hp in race trim
and 1100 hp in qualifying tune.

Top speed 253 mph. Basically a stock long block with Turbo's

1990 Mercedes-Benz (Sauber) C11[edit]

• Year: 1990
• Make: Mercedes-Benz & Sauber
• Model: C11
• Engine Location: Mid
• Drive Type: Rear Wheel
• Weight: 1995 lb | 904.9 kg

• Engine Configuration: V
• Cylinders: 8
• Aspiration/Induction: Twin-turbocharged
• Displacement: 4973.00 cc | 303.5 cu in. | 5 L.
• Horsepower: 950.00 hp (699.2 kW)
• HP to Weight Ratio: 2.1 lb (0.95 kg) / hp
• HP / Liter: 190.0 bhp / Liter

• Gears: 5 speed
• Transmission: Manual

• Top Speed: >407 km/h (253 mph)

And at the race in Mexico City in 1990, I got to be in the pit garage when they were working on it! Definitely one of the better car related times that I have had. The engine was not apart, so I could not see the guts, but it did look remarkably like a stock M119 from the outside, the most remarkable differences being individual ignition coils over the tops of the spark plugs, just like the '96 and later production M119s, and of course the gigantic turbo plumbing and induction system.

Oh, and just to turn this into an "oil thread", they were dumping standard ECE Castrol synthetic 10W-60 right out of the plastic bottles into the thing.

 

[gsxr]

Oh, and just to turn this into an "oil thread", they were dumping standard ECE Castrol synthetic 10W-60 right out of the plastic bottles into the thing.

Pfffft. What idiots. Don't they know that some guy on the interwebs has stated 10W-60 is way too thick, and those silly MB engineers should have been using 0W-20 instead? Probably would have made >1000hp with just the oil change.

 

[Klink]

Pfffft. What idiots. Don't they know that some guy on the interwebs has stated 10W-60 is way too thick, and those silly MB engineers should have been using 0W-20 instead? Probably would have made >1000hp with just the oil change.

Yes, clearly rank amateurs, what with winning the championship and all...

 

[gsxr]

Yes, clearly rank amateurs, what with winning the championship and all...

Hey, hey, let's not confuse the issue with pesky things like facts or actual racing results!!!

 

[maw1124]

That's a hilarious thread jack...

maw

 

[Ron500E]

Pfffft. What idiots. Don't they know that some guy on the interwebs has stated 10W-60 is way too thick, and those silly MB engineers should have been using 0W-20 instead? Probably would have made >1000hp with just the oil change.

Dave;
With all respect I think you're being both unfair and overly harsh on MB. Banzworld wasn't in existence in 1990 so how could the countless engineers and technicians have possibly known the correct answer for increased HP?
Yes, the minor details like the championship may have counted for something but without the experts on BW they didn't get the "30 Minutes or it's free" offer from Domino's Pizza that was in effect at the time. Championship smashinginship, pepperoni is what counts.
I have inside knowledge that MB is doing away with their training program and instead requiring all technicians to spend 2 hours per day for 2 whole weeks on the Internet with concentrations on BW and the Fruit Forum.

R

 

[gsxr]

As usual, the peanut gallery brings up a good point. Touché, Ron... I keep forgetting they were limited by the lack of 14.4kbps modems at the time.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled exhaust sniffing.

 

[gerryvz]

Pfffft. What idiots. Don't they know that some guy on the interwebs has stated 10W-60 is way too thick, and those silly MB engineers should have been using 0W-20 instead? Probably would have made >1000hp with just the oil change.

I guess the real question was whether they were using Dex-II, Dex-III, .10 or .14 spec ATF. Who cares about motor oil ?!?

 

[gerryvz]

I have inside knowledge that MB is doing away with their training program and instead requiring all technicians to spend 2 hours per day for 2 whole weeks on the Internet with concentrations on BW and the Fruit Forum.

R

With primary instructors of cascade, McClare, Tootone, Boondavi, 400Eric and the vookster, I take it.....

 

[Klink]

That's a hilarious thread jack...

maw

You're welcome!

 

[5thscaleracer]

 

[Ascension]

The M119 used in the Sauber C11 in mild tune made 950hp in race trim
and 1100 hp in qualifying tune.

Top speed 253 mph. Basically a stock long block with Turbo's

1990 Mercedes-Benz (Sauber) C11[edit]

• Year: 1990
• Make: Mercedes-Benz & Sauber
• Model: C11
• Engine Location: Mid
• Drive Type: Rear Wheel
• Weight: 1995 lb | 904.9 kg

• Engine Configuration: V
• Cylinders: 8
• Aspiration/Induction: Twin-turbocharged
• Displacement: 4973.00 cc | 303.5 cu in. | 5 L.
• Horsepower: 950.00 hp (699.2 kW)
• HP to Weight Ratio: 2.1 lb (0.95 kg) / hp
• HP / Liter: 190.0 bhp / Liter

• Gears: 5 speed
• Transmission: Manual

• Top Speed: >407 km/h (253 mph)

Yep know about that engine . On the other hand so many here talk about how MB didn't leave any"low hanging fruit" in HP in the M-119.
If a number of the Volvo heads can pull a grand out a 4 banger that is about as sophisticated a design as what is powering a farm tractor---.

 

[Klink]

Honch, if they can get this sniffer trained up on cork, you could find yourself out of a job!

 

[gerryvz]

You know, I was sort of thinking that this exhaust could have some incredible power/torque-generation benefits if fitted to a Volvo engine.....

 

[5thscaleracer]

You know, I was sort of thinking that this exhaust could have some incredible power/torque-generation benefits if fitted to a Volvo engine.....

Too late I already make kits for Volvo

 

[Maui]

I like the Volvo.

 

[gsxr]

Yep know about that engine . On the other hand so many here talk about how MB didn't leave any"low hanging fruit" in HP in the M-119.

A full factory effort including twin turbocharging and likely millions of dollars in R&D is not my definition of "low hanging fruit". Maybe that's your definition, but it ain't mine.

 

[5thscaleracer]

Turn down tip

Tips are 2.5" brushed t304 stainless

They line up in the stock location but the tip is larger in diameter.

Both left and right tips are equal in total length to keep the sound uniform. Which is the reason why there are 4 different radius bends to make up the not so simple curved tip.

 

[J-Sauce]

So nice looking, and sounding. If only I had some spare cash. Trade for a set of machined evo ii wheels?

 

[Stevester 500E]

But since there isn't much in the way of low hanging fruit, maybe this is the lowest fruit . . . . ..

A full factory effort including twin turbocharging and likely millions of dollars in R&D is not my definition of "low hanging fruit". Maybe that's your definition, but it ain't mine.

 

[Ascension]

But since there isn't much in the way of low hanging fruit, maybe this is the lowest fruit . . . . ..

I just have to wonder why the Volvo crowd can so easily pull big HP out of an engine design that is so antiquated for little $$ but no one here seemingly can out of a M119 without spending huge amounts of $$??
The M119 should easily be a fire breather looking at the basic design so where the issue?? Intake restriction, super conservative camming lack of head flow or??
The 3 valve engines that came afterward seem to respond well to the normal HP tricks like headers and exhaust + tuning so why doesn't the M119???
Look guys I don't want to run in circles on this but it really is confusing the hell out of me that it's seemingly so hard to pull 500HP out of a 5.0 M119 when you see push-rod 2 valve US 5.0 Fords pulling those numbers with the right mods.

 

[Rouven036]

Very nice these turn down tips! When we will see photos installed?

 

[kwontumspeed]

Very nice these turn down tips! When we will see photos installed?

+1

Also sent you an email regarding making the entry pipes equal lengths both with flanges. After seeing pics installed and the aforementioned, I'll be ready to pull the trigger.

 

[ccrelan]

I just have to wonder why the Volvo crowd can so easily pull big HP out of an engine design that is so antiquated for little $$ but no one here seemingly can out of a M119 without spending huge amounts of $$??
The M119 should easily be a fire breather looking at the basic design so where the issue?? Intake restriction, super conservative camming lack of head flow or??
The 3 valve engines that came afterward seem to respond well to the normal HP tricks like headers and exhaust + tuning so why doesn't the M119???
Look guys I don't want to run in circles on this but it really is confusing the hell out of me that it's seemingly so hard to pull 500HP out of a 5.0 M119 when you see push-rod 2 valve US 5.0 Fords pulling those numbers with the right mods.

The reason is obvious! There is a metric ton of room in engine bay of those old volvos! How much room is in the engine bay of your 400e? Next to none!......Ever look and see how much more room there is in the bay of a 6 cyl or even diesel w124??????

 

[captruff]

sign me up for the turn down tips.

Jeff

 

[Ascension]

The reason is obvious! There is a metric ton of room in engine bay of those old volvos! How much room is in the engine bay of your 400e? Next to none!......Ever look and see how much more room there is in the bay of a 6 cyl or even diesel w124??????

I do understand the part that this is difficult because of the issue of room in these engine bays. However what I don't get is this attitude here of you guys being so negative with anyone who does try.
The 2 areas where I am absolutely convinced there is great potential performance increases in these cars is in the intake and exhaust systems. To improve both would be difficult because of space and for both to really reach the full potential you would need a different more sophisticated programmable engine management system.
Easy nope cheap nope but it could be done with the will to do it and the fabrication ability to pull off a set of real tuned headers and a new intake manifold.
As for me I appreciate the 420 and 500's for what they are sophisticated comfortable long distance touring cars. If I were to build a W124 for real performance I would drop a snail and intercooler on a 6.

 

[5thscaleracer]

Very nice these turn down tips! When we will see photos installed?

I need another 500E in the shop that is going to buy the exhaust. It's not my style to install something then sell it new...

+1

Also sent you an email regarding making the entry pipes equal lengths both with flanges. After seeing pics installed and the aforementioned, I'll be ready to pull the trigger.

I will not be able to accommodate your request because without having the car in person I would have to guess blindly on the length and pipe spacing. Your best option is to find a muffler shop that will install it. I would suggest to look for someone that cane Weld SS with SS rod.

This exhaust can be modified to fit specific applications but I will not do the modifications. My Goal was to create and offer a stock fitting product.

sign me up for the turn down tips.

Jeff

Done!

 

[gsxr]

Also sent you an email regarding making the entry pipes equal lengths both with flanges.

FYI... this should not be an issue. The cat pipe exit has different lengths and the connecting pipe has the opposite, to match. See photos of the factory setup in post #299 earlier in this thread.

 

[kwontumspeed]

FYI... this should not be an issue. The cat pipe exit has different lengths and the connecting pipe has the opposite, to match. See photos of the factory setup in post #299 earlier in this thread.

Cats are burnt and being replaced by 100cell and in my ideal setup it would be a flange to flange at the connection where this cat back system mates up.

5thscaleracer, no worries I'll make it work. Am I to assume that using a high flow cat system will increase the overall volume of the system? Or will it potentially change the whole sound? Will send you an email continuing our offline correspondence.

 

[gerryvz]

The negativity comes from seeing a lot of talk, bragging & promises over the years and not a lot of dyno sheets.

It costs $10-15K minimum to do any sort of decent mod/upgrade -- which is more than a lot of the cars are worth. Many folks don't have $20K laying around and also, as I said before many people prefer to keep their cars stock or only do cosmetic upgrades.

Remember my $5-10K rule for maintenance defer that ALL 034 and 036 cars have. Add that to the mix & the lack of room & difficulty in doing mods & you have your formula for why folks like me poo-poo all this stuff. Many of us who are long term owners have seen or heard it all (and a few of us have done it too). Lastly there is NO aftermarket for M119 speed parts like there is with the newer V-8s from MB, or BMWs or (hiccup) Volvos.

Don't know how to put things more plainly.


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