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Wavetrac 210mm Diffs anyone looking?

So if any of you want to try redline for street use i am sure it will be fine. But if you are going to claim warranty expect some kick back form Wavetrac for not using their suggested fluid.
Ah thanks. Of course I will stick to Motul 300, as it is manufacturer recommended, for my wavetrac. That said, I don’t track my cars, so my use case is much milder than yours!

Are you guys familiar with a company called Lubrizol?

That company along with others like them are what differentiate what is Castrol, Mobil, Motul, Redline, Royal purple etc.
The oils we use today are based off these basic ingredients.
- Base Stock
- Friction Pack (purchased from 3rd party company like Lubrizol)
- Proprietary Secret Sauce (I call it snake oil umami)
I am a shareholder of Lubrizol! 💰💰🤑🤑🤑😄. Actually anyone with Berkshire shares is a Lubrizol shareholder as they are fully owned by Berkshire. NOW I know what Lubrizol does! Thanks!! 😃😃
 
If you are happy with redline on that G50 trans good for you but I have a group of friends who hate redline for the G50 and use Fusch or Titan.
Just FYI btw - not to be excessively pendantic, but my reason for bringing up the G50 transmission is because the G50 in an aircooled 911 is a transaxle setup where the differential and the transmission share the same oil. To that end, Redline 75W-90NS has worked well for my 911 transaxle, which also happens to have a Torque Biasing Differential in it. My 911’s TBD was made by Guard Transmission (not wavetrac) so that’s not exactly the same thing, but I wanted to just explain why it was kind of relevant. Ok carry on…..
 
Just FYI btw - not to be excessively pendantic, but my reason for bringing up the G50 transmission is because the G50 in an aircooled 911 is a transaxle setup where the differential and the transmission share the same oil. To that end, Redline 75W-90NS has worked well for my 911 transaxle, which also happens to have a Torque Biasing Differential in it. My 911’s TBD was made by Guard Transmission (not wavetrac) so that’s not exactly the same thing, but I wanted to just explain why it was kind of relevant. Ok carry on…..
I still fell the g50 comment is irrelevant.

Mainly because the construction of a Wavetrac diff is not like a traditional TBD diff or quaife.

The Wavetrac unit actually has carbon fiber friction pads and a friction puck disk. These components need to have a specific oil with a certain friction pack so it can play nice in a wet environment.

Standard tbd diffs are composed of hardened gears.

The other issue I have with your comparison is fluid inside the g50 is more than 1.5L found in a traditional diff housing.

Diff oil temp and shear strength play a role.

Bottom line is don’t suggest something you have not tired in a real world application.

I tried redline and didn’t like it. I’m not suggesting anyone to use redline on a Wavetrac unit. This is based on real world experiences and not something written on a spec sheet.
 
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I have tried Redline 75w90NS back in 2016 when Gear 300 was on BO for 6 months. Diff felt ok no issues aside from boiling the fluid over after doing 20 laps non stop at Bigwillow with the 190E. Ended up draining and using Castrol that same day and didnt have the boil over issues. Castrol made the diff smoother on deceleration.
I forgot to ask: What Castrol did you use, and how many consecutive laps on the Castrol?

Also, was the boil-over symptom leaking out the vent on top of the diff?

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I forgot to ask: What Castrol did you use, and how many consecutive laps on the Castrol?

Also, was the boil-over symptom leaking out the vent on top of the diff?

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I used Castrol SAF-XO one of the bmw guys had 2L at the track.

So I ran that for the rest of the day and the following morning

60 laps total

No issues.

But I’m back to gear 300 75w140

boil over was coming from vent hole it was foaming nice creamy texture.
 
Do you know if Motul intends to make more 300 75-90? I got the last 2 quarts from Speedfreaks and when they inquired about more Motul said it was out of production. Might not be a bad idea for Wavetrak to spec fluid requirements with another vendor as a backup plan.
 
Soo... I get a call from Wavetrac today.

They have enough parts to build 7 more diffs...

Allocations have been secured for the 3 people on the wait list. That leaves 5 available for purchase.

The 7 diffs will be ready to ship by next Friday.
Do we know is this confirmed these Wavetrac's for E500Es are going to go NLA? Or might they produce more in the future? I have one on the shelf already but just wondering what the future holds for these!
 
Do we know is this confirmed these Wavetracs for E500Es are going to go NLA? Or might they produce more in the future? I have one on the shelf already but just wondering what the future holds for these!
I'd be surprised if it's a permanent NLA. Wavetrac has always (AFAIK) required a minimum order of 25-30 units to build a batch of any given differential, which is a $25k+ out of pocket expense for a dealer. Might be tough to find a dealer willing to fork out that much without a number of deposits though, there probably isn't a ton of demand for this unit. (?)

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I still fell the g50 comment is irrelevant.

……

Bottom line is don’t suggest something you have not tired in a real world application.

I tried redline and didn’t like it. I’m not suggesting anyone to use redline on a Wavetrac unit. This is based on real world experiences and not something written on a spec sheet.
That make sense, but I did not suggest Redline 75W90NS. I typed, verbatim, “How about Redline 75W90NS?” That was a perfectly reasonable segway into relating my experience with the product in a G50 transaxle. The product might be unsuitable for a wavetrac (after further discussion) but that doesn‘t make asking the question and relating an experience irrelevant.

Questions and discussion should be welcomed, not merely tolerated.
 
Do we know is this confirmed these Wavetracs for E500Es are going to go NLA? Or might they produce more in the future? I have one on the shelf already but just wondering what the future holds for these!
Do we know is this confirmed these Wavetracs for E500Es are going to go NLA? Or might they produce more in the future? I have one on the shelf already but just wondering what the future holds for these!
They will go NLA pending stock order of 30+ diffs. The 210mm Diff shares a few components with a different application. The proprietary parts to the 210mm diff is the casing. Once parts are depleted Wavetrac will not be able to make the diff unless a stocking dealer like my self places a 30pc order.

The demand for these diffs is very low so after all of the parts are depleted I have no intentions of placing a 30pc order to sit on them.

This was done back in 2019 when a stock order was placed and they made a few extra casings as a back up. Right now i am just depleting what is left.

This is the reason why its going to be NLA Pending Stock order.


Id be surprised if its a permanent NLA. Wavetrac has always (AFAIK) required a minimum order of 25-30 units to build a batch of any given differential, which is a $25k+ out of pocket expense for a dealer. Might be tough to find a dealer willing to fork out that much without a number of deposits though, there probably isnt a ton of demand for this unit. (?)
You are correct on this.
Min order for this diff is 30+ units. I am going through the same deal with the 185mm diffs used on the 190e. The 185mm diffs move enough for me to justify keeping them on the shelf. I should have 30 of the 185mm diffs in the next 6-8 months.



That make sense, but I did not suggest Redline 75W90NS. I typed, verbatim, “How about Redline 75W90NS?” That was a perfectly reasonable segway into relating my experience with the product in a G50 transaxle. The product might be unsuitable for a wavetrac (after further discussion) but that doesn‘t make asking the question and relating an experience irrelevant.

Questions and discussion should be welcomed, not tolerated.
horse is dead, beat and tired.
 
Do you know if Motul intends to make more 300 75-90? I got the last 2 quarts from Speedfreaks and when they inquired about more Motul said it was out of production. Might not be a bad idea for Wavetrak to spec fluid requirements with another vendor as a backup plan.
Yes Motul will always supply the product its just a slow down in production and supply chain.

Same thing happened to 300V 5W40 and 15W50 in early 2022.

75W90 is available in drums I can purchase that and bottle it. The down side is the bottle will not be 100% sealed so shelf life will become an issue.
 
Id be surprised if its a permanent NLA. Wavetrac has always (AFAIK) required a minimum order of 25 units to build a batch of any given differential.


They will go NLA pending stock order of 30+ diffs. The 210mm Diff shares a few components with a different application. The proprietary parts to the 210mm diff is the casing. Once parts are depleted Wavetrac will not be able to make the diff unless a stocking dealer like my self places a 30pc order.

Got it, okay then, not a permanent NLA, at least not like when Mercedes does NLAs.

The same “we will make another production run with a sizable MoQ” works with NEEZ Euro six wheels in the 18x9.0 size. They make the 8.5 width wheels without an MoQ, but the 9.0 width wheels requires an MoQ.
 
I received my Wavetrak the other day. After opening the box and reading over the lubrication requirements I was happy to see other oils can be used with this differentia. In fact they recommend you follow the gear oil requirements specified by the manufacturer. Motul is the gear oil they recommend as a high performance alternative.
 

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I received my Wavetrak the other day. After opening the box and reading over the lubrication requirements I was happy to see other oils can be used with this differentia. In fact they recommend you follow the gear oil requirements specified by the manufacturer. Motul is the gear oil they recommend as a high performance alternative.
Yes - just be careful, as most gear oils have friction modifiers, and the Wavetrac will work best with zero friction modifers. Read the spec sheets carefully.

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