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Thank you for your kind words Arnt.I'm sorry for the loss of your father, but many thanks for giving us the nice story about the car. I hope you get it sorted without too much hassle. And it's nice to see you back here on the forum again!![]()
@doolar, check if the 036 springs are still available. I think they might have gone NLA. PM me, as I've seen some for sale recently in Germany (no affiliation).Omg there were a lot of old phone and antenna installations in the car, alongside several sound "installations" obviously done by a person who just should have let someone else do it. I've extracted one Nokia phone module, one antenna box for a multiway antenna, meters of Rockford Fosgate boom box cables, pieces of wiring just cut and tucked away.
My dad never cared and just wanted me to leave it until it was in the way, he asked me to remove the aftermarket alarm some years back, and that was a horrible installation too.
I'll either install a Special radio, or my Audio 30 APS that I never sold and have NIB to use. I'm leaning towards the APS even though it's not period correct. But it's just a better sounding unit with CD too. And I can get a Bluetooth module for either of them.
I've also most likely confirmed that it is the AC compressor bearing that's causing the noise. Starting the engine without the belt was telling that it absolutely was an auxilliary, and the bearing in the compressor spins very fast and sounds completely dry. All other rollers etc seem fine. I know I have both spare compressors and bearings, and the AC is cold and working fine, so maybe I'll just replace the bearing.
The ASR delete seems to be a good one with three relays nicely placed etc. I'll get a hold of a ASR off button and place where the fader wheel is, cause that's not in use and I won't reconnect it either.
I think it's H&R springs on the car - they're red right @gsxr ? Maybe I have original springs in my parts bin, I'll have to check. Both rear struts, spheres and front shocks are replaced about 10000 kilometers ago, so they're in great shape. If I don't have springs, I'll buy new ones, the car is way too low for my taste.
Finally I documented all the cosmetic damages I could find, there are some corrosion, bent plastic, bad repairs. Sagging rear bumper, a scrape and dent on the right rear fender flare and bumper etc etc.
Nope, H&R typically have dark charcoal gray paint. Not sure what brand are typically painted red. See if you can find any part numbers marked on them.I think it's H&R springs on the car - they're red right @gsxr ? Maybe I have original springs in my parts bin, I'll have to check. Both rear struts, spheres and front shocks are replaced about 10000 kilometers ago, so they're in great shape. If I don't have springs, I'll buy new ones, the car is way too low for my taste.
Definitely call a dealer and inquire about availability of stock springs. I've seen mixed information about these going NLA. I believe the rear Limited-specific springs are NLA but there might still be some stock springs available...?@doolar, check if the 036 springs are still available. I think they might have gone NLA. PM me, as I've seen some for sale recently in Germany (no affiliation).
Thank you, PM coming your way!@doolar, check if the 036 springs are still available. I think they might have gone NLA. PM me, as I've seen some for sale recently in Germany (no affiliation).
Nope, H&R typically have dark charcoal gray paint. Not sure what brand are typically painted red. See if you can find any part numbers marked on them.
Definitely call a dealer and inquire about availability of stock springs. I've seen mixed information about these going NLA. I believe the rear Limited-specific springs are NLA but there might still be some stock springs available...?
MBCC says yes, maybe, and RevParts sites do not yet show Discontinued. So there is hope!
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Ah yes something rings right with Eibach, I think the PO told us that when we bought the car. It's 16 years ago now so things are forgotten...I believe Eibach springs are typically red colored and from what I've seen reduce ride height even more than H&R.
Thank you, yea I’ll have a closer look at the damage, I’m considering repairing it. I will not turn this car into a concourse example, but keep it mechanically in top condition and worry less about the exterior. The car are partially repainted etc so it’s a patchwork paint wise.Thomas, the rear bumper shell was still available a few months ago. Might be worth looking into before they go NLA, as that warpage on yours seems quite substantial
Thank you for that info Arnt!Thomas,
That warpage on the midsection on the front bumper did occure on my exLimited, and the reason was long time storage of the bumper. The bumper was off and put upon a cardboard resting on the corners/ends (as on the enclosed image) which I guess many would do to keep it stable. The bumper remained in storage in that position for several years, and during the summer heat it was sagging and gradually stretched over the midsection. So when I put the car together prior to the sale the bumper missed the fender flares with approx. 20mm++ on both sides! I had to press it in position to line up correctly with the fender flares, and after that the midsection became heavily warped like that. I think the only way is to cut slots in each bulge, straightening by heating & massage, followed by plastic welding the slots again. Even then I don't think it would straighten properly without adding a bracing of some kind on the backside, supposed it is space enough for that.
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For starters, I work at a company that specialises in recovery of damage machines of all sorts, mainly fire damages. So I've accumulated a lot of knowledge on how to clean things.How did you clean those? Looking really great! I need to clean mine also since they look same as yours before cleaning.
No vibration in the gear lever, and the transitions between the gears seem fully normal to me, no delays. It all works just as I would expect until I start driving, then the sound starts. It's constant all the way up to 100 km/h, I didn't dare going any faster. Drove it for about 15 minutes, the sound and behavior stayed the same.Can you feel any vibration in the gear lever when this noise occurs?
Generally a failing trans is evidenced by a long transition from P or D to R. Many noises can seem like one place and actually another.....like dry worn lower front ball joints worn control arms etc. Removal of your trans pan after you drain and sift the fluids for debris. Remove the valve body when you drop the pan too and see what is what. Plan ahead and get the proper seals for the drain plugs including the torque converter.
I think I have ruled it out, if I while driving put the gearbox in N, the sound will follow the revolution of the engine, not the speed of the car. If I rev in N while rolling, the rev is matched to the throttle pedal. It shouldn't be like that if it was something exiting the transmission is my thinking, but please let me know if I'm wrong - I'm usually a humble man, but even more so now.Have you already ruled out the flex disk and driveshaft support bearing?
Is there a good way to check the bearing? And would it really follow the engine revs at speed when in N?I’m w/ Drew on the flex disc and driveshaft support bearing for the growling noise.
Have you checked that the vacuum modulator actually has vacuum? An adjustment to the modulator can possibly fix the flaring.
At the least a fluid & filter change should be done.
OR, Take it to a good Trans Tech and have them service it and go from there.
Good Luck w/ it!
To clarify, the noise only occurs in gear while driving AND it follows engine revs, not vehicle speed - correct? If so, I'm guessing it's something with the converter, front/main oil pump, or main shaft bearing. (??)The car still have a whining/growling noise, it's only heard once I start driving, not at idle in any gear. It seems to originate from the gearbox area, right side, but it's really difficult to pinpoint. If I rev the engine in N there's no noise at all. It follows the engine revs.
The shift problems are a separate issue. If all shifts are late (high RPM) you can try adjusting the Bowden cable at the throttle linkage behind the airbox. Small adjustments make a big change in shift RPM, and all shifts are affected equally.The gearbox still shifts very late, and is flaring. No hard shifts or any other strange things. The trans fluid level is fine, the fluid is bright red and looks new (I don't know when it was replaced).
Noise only when driving, follow engine revs not car speed, correct. I even put the car in N while driving, revving the engine while rolling. The sound follows the revs. Once stationary, in P or N, no noise. That's why I thought I'd solved the noise, because the AC compressor bearing were noisy when stationary too, so once I swapped that and started the car, there were no noise. It was not the only noise though...To clarify, the noise only occurs in gear while driving AND it follows engine revs, not vehicle speed - correct? If so, I'm guessing it's something with the converter, front/main oil pump, or main shaft bearing. (??)
The shift problems are a separate issue. If all shifts are late (high RPM) you can try adjusting the Bowden cable at the throttle linkage behind the airbox. Small adjustments make a big change in shift RPM, and all shifts are affected equally.
Flaring is likely yet another issue, need to verify the vac modulator is adjusted correctly (should be zero flare at WOT/redline upsfhits), next is checking the B1/K1/K2 springs in the valvebody.
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Wow thank you so much for that info - and yea thats probably less than what I'd pay for a restoration of my transmission today in Sweden with hourly tech rates soaring. I only have 6 hours to Oslo too.Thomas, against all odds & hopes - but in case you end up rebuilding or replacing the transmission, it's a newly rebuilt 722.370 for sale in Olso. The seller is the unlucky owner of the stolen E60 AMG which I posted about some time ago. Your car do probably have a 722.365, but I think a 722.370 should work without too many tweaks, experts please chime in and confirm/deconfirm!
I've met the seller several times and bought several parts from him as well, so I'll vote for him without hesitation.
The asking is NOK 35.000 - SEK 34.750 - EUR 3.100 and I think that's a fair price, the transmission is practically new.
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Selger en Mercedes automat girkasse 722.370, skulle brukes i en W124 500E / E500 v8, men bilen ble stjålet. Girkassen er helt nyoverhalt, fullstendig demontert og skiftet alt av lameller, bremsebånd, pakninger, o-ringer m.m I tillegg ble converter overhalt. Har en del bilder fra overhalingen...www.finn.no
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Thank you Dave! There's hope....722.370 is functionally identical to the 722.365, you can interchange them.
The .370 lacks the secondary pump so you can't tow-start the car, but when was the last time you tow-started any Mercedes, let alone an 036?
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When my dad bought it back in 2008, headlight wiper delete was a thing, same with the Avantgarde grill insert and clear indicators as you can see on my profile picture taken around -08. I have all the parts and will refit it all, but it's not on the top of my list.Car looks beautiful Thomas! Looking forward to see what you will do to bring it back fully.
I see the car has no headlight wipers. What's the deal with that? Did your dad not like the look of those? To each their own of course, but to my eyes the 036 without wipers doesn't look complete (sorry @TerryA)
Absolutely.
I missed that it was a facelift latch pull on the car, so I'll have to get a proper one from the parts car.Looks great. The latch pull always mucks up the shiny black (or matte as the case may be). After I installed the grille style, that little tab on the bottom to help elevate left a mark I cannot get out. I eliminated the lifting nub under the pull some, but after I noticed the markings.
Luckily they are plentiful, and as long as they're not broken, they are quite easy to get looking good again. The aluminum strips are more difficult though.Both pre-facelift and facelift grille inserts are NLA now, btw...
I missed the trans pan photos. Arnt is correct, that isn't bad... there is normally a fine layer of swarf at the bottom. I don't see any thick buildup, nor any chunks of friction material. Clean it all up, change filter & fluid, and pull the B1/K1/K2 spring trains to make sure no springs are broken.If the car has sat for a longer time and the latest oil change was done back in 2017, it doesn't look that bad actually. It will always be some deposites in the transmission oil pan, and I don't see any thick crude build up anywhere.