500E Coupe Project

[wyzer]

Hey guys, thought I would start a project tread on my 500E coupe.

As some of you know I purchased a T boned 500E that was listed on eBay, I found it through these forums - See here

The car is hit badly, but it the most perfect spot really, especially for a conversion into another shell as the main parts of the 500E are still in perfect condition (flares, bumpers, engine etc).

I ran through some options with budget in mind.

1. To repair the current shell - not ideal as structurally it will never be the same as OEM, also I will always know it was T'boned, and so will everyone else which will always haunt the car.

2. Re-shell the car into a 500E - good luck finding one with no engine for cheap

3. Re-shell into another cool w124

Option 3 was the GO. Now cool w124's to me are coupes, convertibles or wagons (obvs 500E's too) which are all great candidates but for me the coupe ticks all the boxes. Pillar-less, perfect euro staunch business 90's body lines and hey, coupes are always cool.

Car was delivered and it is very clean, starts right up with perfect idle, runs and drives great - goes in a straight line when I let go of the steering wheel so that tells me the suspension is all still straight too. (the previous owner was apparently a doctor and always maintained it)

I am now on the look out for a low mileage coupe, if anyone knows of one please hit me up.

Stay tuned for plenty of photos and build progress.

Photos below of the T boned 500E and also some inspiration

 

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[skikrazey]

Good luck with your build! Always wondered if someone did a 500CE conversion like the 500TE wagon conversions! Please post your progress!

 

[Bogeyman]

In your case I wouldn't be concerned about the mileage.
Especially since you are in Socal, look for a local car without rust issues and build from there.

 

[skikrazey]

Your donor car took a wicked hit! Sad to loose a rare color, but you are right, it would never be the same. I concur with Bogeyman, sound advice!

 

[RicardoD]

Wyzer, good luck

@gerryvz so it really does run great and drives fine! 500eboard member confirmed. You can eat it!

#RunsGreat
#DrivesFine

 

[744Brillantsilber]

You have an awesome project there!
Do you want to drop the whole drivetrain, rear subframe, suspension (where possible, no SLS on most Coupes), .036 body parts etc. in a coupe or do you plan to change some parts?

In your case I wouldn't be concerned about the mileage.
Especially since you are in Socal, look for a local car without rust issues and build from there.

Same opinion here. Since you probably swap nearly everything, no need use a "collectors condition" coupe.

I look foreward to see your built taking progress!

 

[Efraim]

Good luck for your project.

Here are some pictures of 500CE ( http://photo.digitalfinland.net/20050814.html, in the middle of the picture chain). It has been called as Löwer Benz but I don't know if that is also the name of car builder in Germany I guess. Nowaday it's even more tuned with cameleon pink color. I have never seen it although might still be in Finland.

 

[wyzer]

You have an awesome project there!
Do you want to drop the whole drivetrain, rear subframe, suspension (where possible, no SLS on most Coupes), .036 body parts etc. in a coupe or do you plan to change some parts?


Same opinion here. Since you probably swap nearly everything, no need use a "collectors condition" coupe.

I look foreward to see your built taking progress!

Thanks mate

Yes I plan on using everything from the 500E that I can, I have read that the coupe is shorter so I will have to modify the drive shaft and other parts that go from the front to the back ie. e brake cables, fuel lines etc. I didn't know what the situation with the SLS was on coupes... do some have SLS and some don't have SLS?

I am also now contemplating using AMG Hammer body as inspiration, similar to this build : see here
So I will use the 500E front fenders only for the body and the rest of the car will use all the 500E drivetrain. But that is just the idea at the moment. I am still trying to locate a coupe body first

I feel the 500E coupe would be awesome and understated but a Hammer tribute utilizing the 500E drivetrain would be a whole another level.

 

[gsxr]

SLS was optional on most all 124's, and standard on all wagons & 036's. It was very rare in USA, special-order only. You could retrofit SLS to a coupe, the system is all mechanical and not that complicated.

Remember you need to use the 500E front bumper to match the 500E fenders. Probably would want to cut & weld the rear fender flares too. Note the red and blue coupes in your photos have custom flares. The 036 rears would look cleaner IMO...

 

[744Brillantsilber]

Big respect for your plan (I love it)!
You are probably aware that you have to cut the E500´s crossmember and firewall and fit it in the CE.

I know that black hammer from the 2nd picture in person, it looks even better than in the pictures. But a CE with .036 flares and bumpers would be sharp too. Or even a stock looking sleeper...
There is a company selling "Hammer" bodykits. But in plastic, and not cheap

In my opinion you do not need to put the SLS in the CE. Using rear springs and dampers from a E420 sportline should work fine. You can fine-tune the rear height with the rubber pads.

I am not sure if the 500E sway bars work perfect on a 500CE. The 500CE has a shorter wheel base will be more front-heavy than a 500E. Using the stock 500E sway bars should get the car to understeer more than the 500E. (at least in theory)...

 

[TerryA]

Thanks mate

Yes I plan on using everything from the 500E that I can, I have read that the coupe is shorter so I will have to modify the drive shaft and other parts that go from the front to the back ie. e brake cables, fuel lines etc. I was sure about the sls on coupes, so some have and some don't have sls?

I am also now contemplating using AMG Hammer body as inspiration, similar to this build : see here
So I will use the 500E front fenders only for the body and the rest of the car will use all the 500E drivetrain. But that is just the idea at the moment. I am still trying to locate a coupe body first

I feel the 500E coupe would be awesome and understated but a Hammer tribute utilizing the 500E drivetrain would be a whole another level.

wayzer,

To me that Red 88 300ce in your post would make the perfect 500CE coupe. The one on Benz World to me looks to cheezy.

Just my Opinion.

Can't wait to see this happen.

Good Luck with it!

 

[EngineerSam]

Big respect for your plan (I love it)!
You are probably aware that you have to cut the E500´s crossmember and firewall and fit it in the CE.

I know that black hammer from the 2nd picture in person, it looks even better than in the pictures. But a CE with .036 flares and bumpers would be sharp too. Or even a stock looking sleeper...
There is a company selling "Hammer" bodykits. But in plastic, and not cheap

In my opinion you do not need to put the SLS in the CE. Using rear springs and dampers from a E420 sportline should work fine. You can fine-tune the rear height with the rubber pads.

I am not sure if the 500E sway bars work perfect on a 500CE. The 500CE has a shorter wheel base will be more front-heavy than a 500E. Using the stock 500E sway bars should get the car to understeer more than the 500E. (at least in theory)...

Are you saying you want the car to "understeer" more?
Or allow the car to "oversteer" some/easier?

I think you meant to say easier to oversteer.

Understeer is when you're turning your wheels in your car still going straight.

Oversteer is when your rear end kicks out.

 

[gerryvz]

Hey Wazer, what's your timeline to get your coupe project kicked off, and completed by? Interested in your project plan ! Could be a great model for others here who want to do these types of major build types of projects.

 

[EngineerSam]

On benzworld a guy in LA did a 400E

Going for it....V8 400CE

www.benzworld.org

 

[744Brillantsilber]

Are you saying you want the car to "understeer" more?
Or allow the car to "oversteer" some/easier?

I think you meant to say easier to oversteer.

Understeer is when you're turning your wheels in your car still going straight.

Oversteer is when your rear end kicks out.

Yes, understeer is when you see what you are going to hit. Oversteer is when you feel what you hit only

I meant that a 500CE should more front heavy than a 500E (less weight, but the same heavy engine etc. in the front). With the stock suspension from a 500E it probably will understeer more than a stock .036.
I did not mean to say this is wanted, sorry if my English was wrong!

An understeering car can be a adjusted to understeer less with various ways:
softer front springs (not the best idea, since the front "rolls" more with softer springs)
harder rear springs (makes the rear end loose a bit contact, and give you a rougher ride)
softer front sway bar (again, makes the front "roll" a bit more)
harder rear sway bar (from a wagon maybe?)

(of course tinkering with the damper is possible too, but not with adjustable dampers only)

On a race car for not even/smooth tracks (and also good for most street use), you try to make the sway bars as hard as possible and the springs as soft as possible (to give the wheels maximum contact with the street=> better traction).

A harder rear sway bar might be sth. to think about for a 500CE

EDIT: according to MB both Coupe and Sedan have the same kerb weight, but the Coupe has less gross weight (300CE vs 300E):
300 E | marsClassic
300 CE | marsClassic

 

[EngineerSam]

Coupes are a little heavier than sedans due to extra strength of hardtop. 500CE Might be heavier than the sedan.

 

[gsxr]

I think suspension tuning will be pretty much last on the list. That's the EASY part, swapping springs/dampers/swaybars until it handles how you want it to. The hard part is getting the M119 powertrain installed and running on factory computers... and getting those rear fender flares welded on properly.

 

[744Brillantsilber]

I think suspension tuning will be pretty much last on the list. That's the EASY part, swapping springs/dampers/swaybars until it handles how you want it to. The hard part is getting the M119 powertrain installed and running on factory computers... and getting those rear fender flares welded on properly.

That is for sure.

 

[wyzer]

wayzer,

To me that Red 88 300ce in your post would make the perfect 500CE coupe. The one on Benz World to me looks to cheezy.

Just my Opinion.

Yes I do like the red one... which one is the Benz World cheesy one you are referring to?

 

[wyzer]

Hey Wazer, what's your timeline to get your coupe project kicked off, and completed by? Interested in your project plan ! Could be a great model for others here who want to do these types of major build types of projects.

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Hey @gerryvz, not sure on the length of time it will take but it starts when I find a coupe and I will be working on it everyday till it is done so no delay really. I have a friends hobby workshop that will help me build it, he has one very good mercedes mechanic and a hoist the 500E is there at the moment. I am going to take as many photos as possible and document as much as I can as I know it will be helpful to other people.

Here is my project plan to date:

1. Acquire 500E parts car -DONE
2. Acquire w124 coupe chassis
3. Transfer 500E parts to coupe body (I'm not totally sure on whats involved for example I just learnt that the firewall has to be changed also, but engine, firewall, front and rear subframes, ECU, computers, bumpers, fenders anything that can be moved)
4. Acquire parts / AMG parts as I think I am heading more to 500CE hammer style build so AMG Steering wheel, AMG OZ 3 piece rims, Recaro Classic seats, AMG bumpers, suspension coilovers, tires etc.
5. Body work - Hoping front fenders are a straight swap, rear fenders either 500E or custom 911 SC style, and modified AMG w124 front and rear bumpers, 3 piece AMG rear spoiler, AMG side skirts and 500E side panels (modified rear to match 911 flares)
6. Paint

Plans are set regarding 500E drivetrain swap (workshop is ready to start just waiting for me to get a coupe) but as far as body plans go they may change if I decide to head in the 500E coupe body styling direction instead of the AMG coupe styling. still up in the air about that. Called around yesterday to try and find a good body guy that I would trust, seems hard to find. If anyone knows of one in the LA or surrounding area please let me know.

And again any coupes out there hit me up.

 

[wyzer]

Big respect for your plan (I love it)!
You are probably aware that you have to cut the E500´s crossmember and firewall and fit it in the CE.

I know that black hammer from the 2nd picture in person, it looks even better than in the pictures. But a CE with .036 flares and bumpers would be sharp too. Or even a stock looking sleeper...
There is a company selling "Hammer" bodykits. But in plastic, and not cheap

In my opinion you do not need to put the SLS in the CE. Using rear springs and dampers from a E420 sportline should work fine. You can fine-tune the rear height with the rubber pads.

I am not sure if the 500E sway bars work perfect on a 500CE. The 500CE has a shorter wheel base will be more front-heavy than a 500E. Using the stock 500E sway bars should get the car to understeer more than the 500E. (at least in theory)...

Hey @744Brillantsilber , thanks man, I wasn't aware that the firewall would have to change, and also that I needed to cut the crossmember - thought it would swap over, good to know. If you have any more advise please feel free to let me know as I'm very in the dark as to what Porsche did to fit the m119 in the w124.

 

[EngineerSam]

Hey @744Brillantsilber , thanks man, I wasn't aware that the firewall would have to change, and also that I needed to cut the crossmember - thought it would swap over, good to know. If you have any more advise please feel free to let me know as I'm very in the dark as to what Porsche did to fit the m119 in the w124.

Read the 400CE BENZWORLD post lost of great information.

Posted earlier above ∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆

 

[TerryA]

Yes I do like the red one... which one is the Benz World cheesy one you are referring to?

Sorry for late answer. Maybe I spoke to soon. What I didn’t like was the pasted on rear flared fender on the red/silver bottom coupe.The coupe is OK I say just don’t put those IMOP hideous rear flares on.

Anyway, you have the donor 500E. If I were you I would consider using the rear clip of it for the wide body. None of it is severely damaged.

Also, I don’t know if this can be done safely / correctly but I’ve seen it done on other cars. Take the 500E front clip and weld it to the coupe body. This way you are not transferring all of the parts from one chassis to another. It would take a competent body man to accomplish this and make it sound.

Just an idea but it’s been done.

I’m not sure of this but we had a guy build a couple of 500E estate wagons here in the US a while back. I think that’s what he did. It’s been a long time, I could be wrong here but maybe Gerry or gsxr remembers.

 

[EngineerSam]

There IS going to be welding involved either way.
But personally I would rather weld the cross member and fire wall than a whole front clip. That requires a hell of a fabricator to get it square and right. Because it's NOT just chop and burn back. To do it right, the weld needs to be staggered and maybe sleeved.
Or even sub framed for extra strength.

But I'm a Locomotive Engineer not a real Engineer.

If you have the "cajones" I will enjoy reading!
Please do the welding correctly. Make it a show car that you could have a mirror under and not be embarrassed

 

[gsxr]

Just curious, what year coupé are you planning to use, and are you trying to find one with ASR or without? There were minor changes over the years.

An AMG replica/tribute could spiral costs dramatically. I personally *hate* the non-airbag steering wheels, but if it floats your boat, go for it. You'd likely end up with replica AMG body parts since genuine are likely all NLA now. But if you just did an 036 body, you have pretty much everything from the donor.

Oh, and please don't even mention the word "coilovers"... ugh... search the forum for previous discussion on those.

 

[wyzer]

Just curious, what year coupé are you planning to use, and are you trying to find one with ASR or without? There were minor changes over the years.

An AMG replica/tribute could spiral costs dramatically. I personally *hate* the non-airbag steering wheels, but if it floats your boat, go for it. You'd likely end up with replica AMG body parts since genuine are likely all NLA now. But if you just did an 036 body, you have pretty much everything from the donor.

Oh, and please don't even mention the word "coilovers"... ugh... search the forum for previous discussion on those.

I was trying to find any coupe 1989 to 1994, didn't think it would matter as it will only be a shell for all the 500E parts. Are the cars chassis and body mounting holes etc different from ASR to non ASR c124 bodies?

 

[EngineerSam]

I was trying to find any coupe 1989 to 1994, didn't think it would matter as it will only be a shell for all the 500E parts. Are the cars chassis and body mounting holes etc different from ASR to non ASR c124 bodies?

It would be cool if it was the same year as your 500E. I know it doesn't have to be.. but I still think it would be cool.

But in the real world you need to get what you can afford and what's available.

 

[LWB250]

I'm curious. Do you have a budget for this project? I would expect anyone serious about taking on such a major undertaking would have a plan laid out and a rough budget.

Any idea what you expect to spend?

I ask as I think about the $250,000 Chevelle(?) that was on BaT recently.

Dan

 

[744Brillantsilber]

Hey @744Brillantsilber , thanks man, I wasn't aware that the firewall would have to change, and also that I needed to cut the crossmember - thought it would swap over, good to know. If you have any more advise please feel free to let me know as I'm very in the dark as to what Porsche did to fit the m119 in the w124.

That is all I know regarding that.
There was a German article a few years ago about making a E500T wagon and I remember this was in there.

 

[gerryvz]

In addition to firewall work, the transmission tunnel of any non-V-8 W124 chassis is going to need to be widened to fit the larger drivetrain of the 500E. This is significant work to achieve, and part of the work that Porsche did in modifying the 124 chassis for the 500E.

As has been said, the firewall also requires substantial modification, and there are structural pieces underneath the car that need to be added for strengthening and reinforcement.

The battery will need to be relocated to the trunk, so that the CAN box (car's four computers) can be placed underhood. This will necessitate routing battery cabling (positive and negative) up the passenger side of the car from the trunk to the engine compartment.

The front fenders will be relatively easy as a bolt-on, and you can probably weld on the rear fender lips (some people have even gone with larger rear fender lips).

I would say that all-in, with parts and the substantial labor required, you are probably looking at AT LEAST a $25,000-40,000 bill to do this job correctly. A lot of parts (particularly as has been said, any body kit / AMG parts) will be very difficult and time-consuming (and EXPENSIVE) to acquire. Much of this highly variable cost is going to depend on how much of the welding, custom body work and transplantation you do yourself, vs. paying a professional to do the work.

The upside is that for a properly done 500E coupe, the sky is the limit on what it would be worth in the marketplace. There would be substantial demand for such a motorcar.

I for one, am REALLY looking forward to this job, as you get into it and document it at every step along the way. It will really blaze some new pathways for others both here on the forum, and in the future, who want to (or will want to) do this type of transformation.

 

[gsxr]

I was trying to find any coupe 1989 to 1994, didn't think it would matter as it will only be a shell for all the 500E parts.

There were changes almost every year. 88-89 were the same, 1990 got the first facelift and assorted upgrades including a new engine, 1991-92 changed gearing, 1993 changed engines again along with gearing, 1994-95 has the second facelift. 1991-93 had the 1432 difficult-to-upgrade stereo system which only Jlaa likes. Different paint colors were available each year, if you care about that... if you don't mind a color change that helps, but also will increase the cost of the repaint (now need to spray door jambs, under the hood, etc.)

Are the cars chassis and body mounting holes etc different from ASR to non ASR c124 bodies?

IIRC, ASR was optional on 90-up, but was pretty rare on 90-92. If you are swapping in the 500E differential, it would need to retain ASR, and normally you'd move over all the 500E electronics. May be easier if the coupe already has ASR (not sure), and if a 90-up coupe has ASR you could keep the existing diff/gears, which are different than the 500E. Again, depends on your personal preference. I'd want a 94-95 to get all the updates and because I like the facelift appearance, but you might not... some people prefer the pre-facelift look. The blue widebody coupe with facelift and AMG Gen2 kit shows you what that setup would look like. Oh and you also need to figure out if you are picky about interior colors.

Gerry is right, total cost could end up in the $20k-$40k ballpark, depending what you do. The more AMG parts go on, the more it's going to end up on the high side of that range. There's a reason only a dozen or so M119 conversions into coupes/cabrios/wagons have been documented over the last ~20 years... if it were easy, there would be a lot more out there.

 

[gerryvz]

I do not recall seeing ASR on any 1990-1992 W124 cars -- only 4MATIC. I think ASR was phased in for the M104-based six-cylinder models with the HFM injection, no?

 

[EngineerSam]

I do not recall seeing ASR on any 1990-1992 W124 cars -- only 4MATIC. I think ASR was phased in for the M104-based six-cylinder models with the HFM injection, no?

No 4MATIC was offered on coupes that I'm aware of anyhow. If they had ASR it was as rare as frog fur or chicken lips....at least on a 89-90-91.

 

[gerryvz]

ASR-I was first offered on the late W126 (I believe from 1989), and only for model year 1991 on the W126s sold in the US. I do not believe it was offered in other MB cars in the US at this time.

My October 1990 MB factory data guide only shows that ASD was offered for the 124 as of 1990, and no ASR is shown.

You can see ASR shown for the W126, but NOT for the W124, in the attached images.

 

[gsxr]

ASR was available on the 124.051 (90-92 300CE), but is definitely rare. EPC has all the part numbers for the ASR-related items. It does appear that this *might* have only been available as of 1991 USA model year.

4MATIC was offered on 124 sedans and wagons only.

 

[gerryvz]

ASR was available on the 124.051 (90-92 300CE), but is definitely rare. EPC has all the part numbers for the ASR-related items. It does appear that this *might* have only been available as of 1991 USA model year.

4MATIC was offered on 124 sedans and wagons only.

Further delving into the book shows indeed that the @gsxr is correct -- that ASR was available by 1990, but only (it appears) for the six-cylinder coupe models (124.050 300CE and 124.051 300CE-24), not four-cylinder coupes, nor wagons and sedans (per the earlier pages I posted). The notation also shows that ASD was not available for cars with ASR, which makes sense.

Here is the page for the coupes.

 

[TerryA]

Just use the front clip off of the 500E cut the roof just behind the windshield header and the door sills behind the front door hinges across the floor pan.
Cutting the frame may have to be on another line for strength. With planning and a good/great body man this might be a lot easier than retrofitting everything into the coupe.

Problem solved. The 500E engine bay is intact and the complete wide body front of the car.

Still just my opinion.

lol

 

[wyzer]

Just use the front clip off of the 500E cut the roof just behind the windshield header and the door sills behind the front door hinges across the floor pan.
Cutting the frame may have to be on another line for strength. With planning and a good/great body man this might be a lot easier than retrofitting everything into the coupe.

Problem solved. The 500E engine bay is intact and the complete wide body front of the car.

Still just my opinion.

lol

Thanks @TerryA, it's definitely worth thinking about. I just don't know about cutting the frame, seems like it will weaken the chassis. Can anyone else give me their thoughts on this?

 

[744Brillantsilber]

Not sure if a coupes underbody is the same as a sedan.
Cutting of the whole front from the .036 could get you in trouble there. Plus you still need to do the gearbox-tunnel extra anyway.
Plus (imho) only cut and weld the needed parts into the coupe would contain less big risks.
124500E is a chassis mechanic at Mercedes Germany. In your situation, I would message him about that for sure!

A hammer bodykit would look a bit silly on a 2nd facelift coupe imo. If you want to go "Hammer", try to find a 89-93 MY coupe with ASR.

Again: What budget do you calculate with?

The only replica hammer-bodykit I found is 9000 Euros (plus import tax... to get it in the US)
Bodywork is at least a few thousands for sure, depending on how to do it and who does it (please take the best body shop that is out there)
It would be a good situation to overhaul the gearbox and redo the timing-chains, guiding rails... (a few thousands again, if you do not everything diy)
You mentioned recaros: Calculate with 2000-4500 for 2 of them
You mentioned 3-piece AMG-wheels: Again, a few thousands
New paint inculding the engine bay: Again, a few thousands
At 200000miles, using new suspension parts can do no harm, again probably in the thousands (including redoing the rear subrframe)

If you want to take the time and have the space for it, you can get some money back parting out the 500E. Plus some members would probably be very happy about that

 

[gsxr]

Did you read the other threads which detailed how to do this swap? They show exactly what is needed.

I totally agree that the AMG body pieces, if any, need to match the vehicle. Don't put Gen1 pieces on a facelift car or vice-versa.

Silber's cost estimates are on target. Recaros? Thousands. 3-pc 17" wheels? More thousands, if you can find a set without cracked centers. Paint and body will be into five figures from a GOOD shop. Rebuilding the entire suspension will be another couple grand just in parts. Don't forget to swap in the entire 500E subframe, it's reinforced for the V8 power output. Complicating things is that aftermarket parts are increasingly being manufactured to sub-OEM specs, and in many cases OE/Genuine parts should be used, also increasing cost. For example, don't get any ideas you'll be able to snag that subframe link kit for $250... mostly need the OE stuff now for twice the price. Etc.

And when it's all done, don't plan on it being worth $80k+ like RBYCC's sale on Bring A Trailer.

 

[744Brillantsilber]

Please read jaymaneks 500TE thread! He described and pictured all the needed bodywork etc. perfect

 

[gsxr]

...and Pat's thread on the Imperial Red 500TE build... and the coupe on BenzWorld...

 

[EngineerSam]

...and Pat's thread on the Imperial Red 500TE build... and the coupe on BenzWorld...

Always made me wonder....why a 400CE? But for this purpose, same thing.

 

[gsxr]

Always made me wonder....why a 400CE? But for this purpose, same thing.

I think the only 4.2L builds were 15-20 years ago, when 5.0L engines were far more expensive, and harder to locate. Today it would't make any sense to go through all the effort and only have a 4.2L motor.

 

[wyzer]

I think the only 4.2L builds were 15-20 years ago, when 5.0L engines were far more expensive, and harder to locate. Today it would't make any sense to go through all the effort and only have a 4.2L motor.

Totally agree... kind of like the 420E I just acquired with all the 500E body work in steel, seems crazy to me that they would do this and not just buy a 500

 

[gsxr]

... kind of like the 420E I just acquired with all the 500E body work in steel...

Wait - you bought this car too??

E420 combined with 500E - What is it? | Off-Topic Discussions

Any one know this car? or its history?

www.500eboard.co

 

[wyzer]

Wait - you bought this car too??

E420 combined with 500E - What is it? | Off-Topic Discussions

Any one know this car? or its history?

www.500eboard.co

Yes I had too

 

[TerryA]

Wow, your knee deep in 119s. Your jumping in with both feet.

 

[LWB250]

Still haven't seen the projected budget for the coupe. I'm seriously interested in what's expected to be spent on a project like this...

Dan