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That all looks great @a777fan!

I have two questions as I learn from your experience ----

  • I noticed that you removed the crossover pipe for better access to various items underneath. How did you find the process of removing the nuts where the crossover pipe bolts to the exhaust manifold? My great fear in removing the nuts @ the manifold is in snapping the hardware, and it is very difficult to get any kroil up there.

  • I noticed that you are using jack stands under the cross member (which looks marvelous now!) Is there a reason why you put the car up on jack stands instead of leaving it on the quickjack?
 
@Jlaa, I'm not a777fan and don't play one on TV... but to date, I've never snapped a bolt at the manifold. If nervous, perhaps first try tightening the bolt a tiny amount before loosening? When installing, liberally apply anti-seize.

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My dealer just quoted a flat fee of $299 for an alignment. When the service writer observed my mild myocardial infarction, he recommended a local indy that might be less extortional. I need to stop by and check them out.

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@a777fan,

Nice work Jon!:) You should love that new feeling of the tight steering. I’m sure you’re headed to the alignment shop next.

I did the same suspension update a few years back. Actually around 8/2012. New Steering damper , tie rod bushings and the front stabilizer bar bushings along with an alignment. I would have to check the mileage but it’s not much since my car didn’t move much in 7 years (1,000 miles) from 6/10/16 to 4/17/23. So I’m delighted to report that everything is still tight and feels planted when driving. I had previously changed the motor and transmission mounts when I had my transmission serviced. I paid someone for that job along with stopping the leaking 4” PS pump connector hose. He really cursed that hose and said never again.:jono:

Anyway, Enjoy the ride!:)
Thanks Terry! Yes that PS hose is a real treat to deal with. I replaced it ~2018, and I am happy to report that its still dry. :) And I can't wait to get an alignment to see how it really feels.


More great work, Jon! I assume an alignment is coming soon. Did you adjust toe with a tape measure, so you can drive it until it gets aligned? Also curious what your local dealer charges for alignment nowadays.

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Thanks Dave!

I actually just measured the lengths of the old tie rods, and got the new ones close. I thought I was being precise enough with it, but in the end the wheel has about a 30 deg offset from center. I was going to go visit Steve at Lynnwood MB anyway, but it was WAY further off than I was expecting.

That all looks great @a777fan!

I have two questions as I learn from your experience ----

  • I noticed that you removed the crossover pipe for better access to various items underneath. How did you find the process of removing the nuts where the crossover pipe bolts to the exhaust manifold? My great fear in removing the nuts @ the manifold is in snapping the hardware, and it is very difficult to get any kroil up there.

  • I noticed that you are using jack stands under the cross member (which looks marvelous now!) Is there a reason why you put the car up on jack stands instead of leaving it on the quickjack?

@Jlaa, I'm not a777fan and don't play one on TV... but to date, I've never snapped a bolt at the manifold. If nervous, perhaps first try tightening the bolt a tiny amount before loosening? When installing, liberally apply anti-seize.

:banana1:
@Jlaa thanks! @gsxr is totally correct, as I did not have any issues with getting the crossover pipe bolts out. I don't even think I had to soak them prior (although I could be forgetting). It might seem tight up there, but with a long extension its plenty accessible. Of course, every car is different in regards to sticky fasteners, but I wouldn't be too worried if I were you. Perhaps just give them a good soaking with your favorite penetrating oil the night before.

On the Quickjack question... It was primarily laziness that led me to the method you see here. My garage is short enough that I typically have to play around with the car and quickjack placement in order (thanks to the articulating 'swing' that QJs have) to ensure I get the car in the right spot to still be able to close the garage door. In this instance, (as you can see from my series of posts), I wasn't initially intending to be 'in there' all that long. By the time the QJs could have been employed, the engine was already in a non-running configuration, and I would have had to wrestle manually with the car to get it in the right spot. Even though it appears flat to the naked eye, I can guarantee you (from experience) that the floor has just the slightest slope to it, which makes non motorized movement in one direction simple, and the other... not. :D

Well, labor rate at MB Lynwood is a staggering $245 an hour now :rolleyes:
*GULP*

My dealer just quoted a flat fee of $299 for an alignment. When the service writer observed my mild myocardial infarction, he recommended a local indy that might be less extortional. I need to stop by and check them out.

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Yeah. I'll be happy to report back when the deed is done, but @TimL's data point there tells most of the story :\
 
Soaking the crossover pipe bolts in Kroil or PB Blaster (or in a pinch, a few drops of motor oil per bolt) should be enough to ease somewhat the loosening of these bolts. They are always rusty and they do feel like they are going to snap, but generally they won't. Soaking them reduces the resistance by at least 50% and calms the mind when removing.

It is not a bad idea to order a spare set of bolts and have them on hand, if and when needed. Or for a proactive replacement, if you feel yours are too rusty.
 
If you break the manifold-to-crossover pipe bolt, you can push it out from below by tapping it with a long extension and hammer. The bolt and the copper nut on top of the manifold should come right out the top. The manifold is designed so the nuts on top fit into square holes—they’re not integral to the manifold. It’s almost as if Mercedes anticipated that these bolts would eventually break. The design makes dealing with removing the remaining piece of bolt and nut a no-brainer. If you order new bolts as @gerryvz wisely suggested, it would be prudent to order the nuts too.
 
I actually just measured the lengths of the old tie rods, and got the new ones close. I thought I was being precise enough with it, but in the end the wheel has about a 30 deg offset from center. I was going to go visit Steve at Lynnwood MB anyway, but it was WAY further off than I was expecting.
Jon, I did exactly what you did, for YEARS. And always had the same results as you. Despite setting the new units within <1mm length (measured on the workbench), the toe was always off substantially - wheel not centered, etc.

Once I started using the tape measure method (at the tires), I discovered how far off it was with the above method. And, also discovered you can get the toe pretty darn close to spec via trial & error. At least enough to get the steering wheel straight and not wear the tires out before you get the dealer.


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That all looks great @a777fan!

I have two questions as I learn from your experience ----

  • I noticed that you removed the crossover pipe for better access to various items underneath. How did you find the process of removing the nuts where the crossover pipe bolts to the exhaust manifold? My great fear in removing the nuts @ the manifold is in snapping the hardware, and it is very difficult to get any kroil up there.

Just adding the part numbers for the exhaust bolts and nuts. The first picture came from @gsxr (thanks Dave). The square nut (000 990 25 52) sits in the manifold and holds the crossover pipe at the manifold. It's a few dollars more than the hex nut. Exhaust Manifold Nut - 2000-2006 Mercedes-Benz (000-990-25-52) | Get Mercedes Parts

I will add a few of these square nuts to my next parts order just to have as spares, assuming they are still available.
 

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:scratchchin:

Ever since I bought üter in 2017, the trunk star has bugged me. Its never sat correctly. The top edge wasn’t sitting flush with the surface of the trunk, but proud a bit. Kinda like someone came by and tried to steal it, but only ended up bending the top part of the outer circle away from the car.

I had fiddled with it briefly in the past, idiotically trying to ‘bend’ it back while it was still on the car. That didn’t work.

Sometime over the past couple weeks, trolling through threads here, I noticed that one of you made a comment about a car that was for sale having a similarly configured trunk star, which was then followed by a witty comment about that being a tell-tale ‘newb’ mistake when applying a new star. I made a mental note, and while out in the garage tonight, made a point to pry the star off the back of the trunk and look at it more closely.

It came off easily enough. I started looking at it sideways/diagonally/everywhich way to see if there was a built in curvature to it or something. I couldn’t perceive one. Thinking i’d have to trial and error it, i thought: ‘Geeze, being MB, i’m surprised they didn’t put an orientation arrow on this thing…’ before I had even looked for it.

Not my pic:

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Put the arrow facing up, and viola!

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Talk about embarrassing. Lol.

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Had my alignment at MB Lynnwood today with Steve Geyer. They were apparently running an alignment special, so it came to 199.95 + tax. Much better than their current going hourly rate! :)

Car drives like a dream. The new engine mounts have me constantly questioning the operation of the engine.
 
Had my alignment at MB Lynnwood today with Steve Geyer. They were apparently running an alignment special, so it came to 199.95 + tax. Much better than their current going hourly rate! :)

Car drives like a dream. The new engine mounts have me constantly questioning the operation of the engine.
Wow, that is a blowout sale! 😄👍🏽👍🏽

Very happy for you Jon that Uter is in top form again!
 
Thanks guys! Yeah. I’ll likely have it plugged. I have an additional 16” sportline wheel inbound to ‘complete’ the set (only have 4 at the moment). I’ll also measure the tread depths. I might be able to get away with just buying 1 new tire and move the patched tire into the spare location.
 
When I get new tires, I always get new screws within 3 months. I too plug them and it is a simple quick process. Have not done it on a run-flat, which should also do the same, but those are lifetime road hazard warranty so why bother....
 
To clarify... "plugging" by installing the plug externally should only be done in emergency situations, or as a temporary patch, or for tires that won't see normal freeway driving. Click here to see a generic plug kit, photo below, there are many types of kits available. Handy to have in the trunk on a road trip, to get you home or to the tire repair shop. I wouldn't trust this type of plug above posted speed limits in USA, or for long-term highway use.

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The proper fix is to dismount the tire and apply the patch from the inside. Some types of interior patches may have a 'plug' that sticks through the hole as well (with the protruding section cut off), see photo below. This is different than the "plug" kits (shown above) available at the local FLAPS / McParts, and since most DIY'ers don't have tire machines, the internal patches have to be installed by a tire shop. However, these patches are permanent and should be fine at legal speeds. I might think twice about vMax runs on a patched tire though.

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I've never seen anything really wrong with plugging a punctured tire, but it depends 100% on the nature of the puncture.

I had a very, very similar leak in my E500's left rear Michelin PSS late last summer, due to a small wood screw. I changed to the factory spare in the parking lot of my marina (where I discovered the flat) and plugged it once I got home, myself. Has been fine ever since and has not lost any air. I used a double-plug and all has been fine. I check it regularly.

Have used plug kits on our 4Runner at least 3-4 times over the past 6 years, and never had any issues. Also had tires plugged at a tire shop a couple of times when I lived in Texas. Never any issues whatsoever. It all depends on where and how the tire was punctured. If in the meat of the tread, it's pretty safe to plug it. If toward the edge or on the bottom of the sidewall, I'd lean toward outright replacing the pair of tires. I have done that before, as well.

YMMV.
 
It's been quite awhile since my last update here on the board, and I'm happy to report that not a lot has happened with Uter. I got the tire patched, and it's been 100% fine since. Most of the fall was spent busy with work trips and away from the fleet. I got the opportunity to visit China for the first time though so that was pretty cool. Upon my return, I started to notice a really weird 'hang' at high load/rpm when shifting from 2-3. Based off board snooping I suspected the Trans Overload Protection Switch (TOPS). I broke out the SDS box and sure enough I had a code in the EZL for the TOPS ‘does not close’.

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There are lots of helpful DIY's on this subject on the board already, so I won't go into great detail. Replacement went smoothly. Of course I also replaced all the requisite seals while I was in there. I took it for a HS run afterward and it was back to normal!. It might be a placebo, but I feel like the car is much better behaved all around. It used to have this occasional weird behavior on port throttle downshifts where the trans word downshift but the engine would bog for a sec. Almost like the timing was being retarded momentarily… That hasn't happened since the switch replacement, FWIW.

New switch shot:

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The old one was original with a late 1993 build stamp. It was leaking out of the connector end as well. I had to degrease the harness a bit.


The other major improvement: I ordered a new MB windshield since they were available again. I had caught a really nice rock right in the middle of the drivers side a couple of months back while driving home from work on I-5. The crack hadn't grown, but It sure was annoying staring at it every day, right in my field of vision. Getting the windshield installed was an adventure by itself. I ordered it in September, but the aforementioned work trips + unsettled weather + holidays meant the first install attempt didn't occur till January. Then... while putting it in, the installer noted a cosmetic scratch on the inside of the glass. Not having the equipment to polish it out in his install van, he had to take it back to the shop to be repaired, which necessitated yet another installation appointment. It finally got it installed in early to mid-February. The windshield is Pilkington/MB branded and looks great. Just need to pop in a new sticker :)


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In prep for the install, I uninstalled all the windshield trim from the car, and while waiting was able to clean out all the gutters, repair some of the broken clips around the winds heid via replacement, and re-do some of the rivets which had either come loose or started to corrode. I also took the opportunity to completely disassemble the windshield side/roof rails. I pulled the gaskets out, cleaned all the gunk out Aero 303'd the rubber parts and re-installed. Prior to cleaning (note the welding rod some nice person left behind to rot underneath the trim for the rest of time):



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I had that nasty gasket 'creep' going on too. You know, where the back edge of the roof rail gasket 'shrinks' and moves its way toward the front of the car. I was able to address this as well during the reassembly of everything. V. happy with how it all looks now.

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Thought the following was a nice design touch. There are 7 clips that install into the gutters on each side that hold the trim in. See the green clips in the photo above. Once you’ve removed them, you might wonder where to place the new ones. Perhaps you could grab the trim itself, line it up on the car and see where the witness marks on the trim tell you where it should go? No bother. MB engineering and manufacturing has your back. 7 small spot weld ‘bumps’ at strategic locations inside the rail. Close up shot, first then one from further back.


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Really good stuff 🙂


Finally: After I got the TOPS replaced I was tooting down the road, pleased as punch. I was even thinking to myself "Wow... this thing is SUCH a better car then my E34 540/6." Smoothness, interior quality etc... No joke, at the next intersection I am pulling away and the damn thing starts mis-frring. Of course,-right?! When I went to look at it the next weekend, I decided to attempt something resembling the scientific method. I pulled out the SDS and popped into the EZL Iive data. Ignition voltage levels looked good, except for Cyl 4.

All were in the-35kV range while 4 was at a 75kV. I was a little surprised at this, as previous adventures with the rotor cap moisture issue resulted in random misfires across the board within the impacted cap. Regardless, I started at the cap end. Pulling the cap showed SOME moisture which I cleared off. I pulled the insulator and it was bone dry. I reassembled and the data remained the same. Cylinder 4 was at ~ 75kV. Odd. So it wasn't cap moisture, (YAY!)

Went to the plug wire next. Pulled it off the car and took it over to the bench to check the resistance. Mult-meter showed an open circuit! At first I thought I wasn't getting a good connection. and then I saw it:

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Nuts! No idea how this damage occurred. This is the BERU set I installed a couple of years back. Luckily I had kept my OE wires. Number 4 was still in good condition, so I reinstalled it. Issue solved. Car drives brilliantly *shrug*
 
Nuts! No idea how this damage occurred. This is the BERU set I installed a couple of years back. Luckily I had kept my OE wires. Number 4 was still in good condition, so I reinstalled it. Issue solved. Car drives brilliantly *shrug*
Jon, was the failure at the wire, or at the boot? Or is that a mystery? You can unscrew the wire from the boot for further investigation...

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Jon, was the failure at the wire, or at the boot? Or is that a mystery? You can unscrew the wire from the boot for further investigation...

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Ah! So these CAN be disassembled? I tried to unscrew, but it didn’t seem to want to budge. I can give it another shot this weekend. Not like I can break it any more than it already is!
 
Were you tooting down the highway or tooling down the highway? 😄

In either case, I’m very glad to see that you are keeping Uter in pristine condition!
 
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Ah! So these CAN be disassembled? I tried to unscrew, but it didn’t seem to want to budge. I can give it another shot this weekend. Not like I can break it any more than it already is!
Yup, the wires have crimped ends with an M3 threaded sleeve attached. It will unscrew, but the rubber boot is tight against the wire insulation, making it difficult to rotate. You can either slice / cut off the rubber boot to expose the wire and make removal easier (obviously destructive, not recommended for a good boot!) or inject a lubricant/oil between boot/wire to allow easy rotation.

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Hey guys, my 94 E500 fan just stopped blowing. Cool air comes out while on AC. Where is this 30A strip fuse located?

And what /where is a McFlaps store so I can buy one? It’s hot here at the beach!

Pardon my naïveté.
 

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